The Fix Was In!!!

i had Sturm beating DelaHoya, Sturm got screwed because everyone( me included) wanted to see dlh fight Hops. But the fact is, Sturm won that fight... This was my 666th post, i feel like going to listen to some classic Iron Maiden now, maybe Aces high or Number of the Beast. Next post will be 667, the neighbor of the beast :) I gave the decision to Sturm too...and so did Harold, which is what flipped me out! :eek: Here lately hes done that a time or two (go against the house fighter) so maybe thing's are changing in that regard ;)

Yep...and to prove that I can be fair, he also had Sturm beating DeLa Hoya, if I'm not mistaken ;) i had Sturm beating DelaHoya, Sturm got screwed because everyone( me included) wanted to see dlh fight Hops. But the fact is, Sturm won that fight... This was my 666th post, i feel like going to listen to some classic Iron Maiden now, maybe Aces high or Number of the Beast. Next post will be 667, the neighbor of the beast :)

yeah, lederman's card is always really close to the way i score fights. i like harold lederman, even when roy jones was losing bad - agianst Johnson ( and kep in mind that Lederman loves Jones - he once said " If RJJ loved me as much as i love him, we'd be married ( my fav lederman quote)) he had the score lopsided FOR JOHNSON! Yep...and to prove that I can be fair, he also had Sturm beating DeLa Hoya, if I'm not mistaken ;)

Hell, we wouldnt be married if she tried to make me get rid of it! Some of that stuff only he has...I remember seeing something on tv once and he took a camera crew thru his home and I sit and slobbered, looking at all his stuff. It's amazing how old some of it is i saw that same show too, it was on a special tues. night fights or something - no, i remember now, it was a special show about lederman himself.

you and me, both, beautiful! his house is amazing, i can't believe his wife lets him keep that stuff Hell, we wouldnt be married if she tried to make me get rid of it! Some of that stuff only he has...I remember seeing something on tv once and he took a camera crew thru his home and I sit and slobbered, looking at all his stuff. It's amazing how old some of it is

Thats cool...I sometimes have the same score he does too (which worries me honestly and makes me question myself) but when it's DLH or Jones or Hopkins (all those famous 'house' fighters ) I see him giving rounds to them that they simply didnt win. I've seen it over and over again. On another note, I'd pay him $50 for 6 hr's of just walking thru his home. He has some of the best collectibles on boxing and fighters that anyone has seen. His yr's in the sport has paid off in more ways than one. He's a pharmacist when he's not on HBO (last I heard) but is a major collector of the sport and has stuff that nobody else has...I'd love to take my time just looking at the stuff on his walls at home! ;) you and me, both, beautiful! his house is amazing, i can't believe his wife lets him keep that stuff

in all honesty, ledermans card is often in the same vain as my own views on how the fight is going, ignoring the rest of the HBO crew. yeah, lederman's card is always really close to the way i score fights. i like harold lederman, even when roy jones was losing bad - agianst Johnson ( and kep in mind that Lederman loves Jones - he once said " If RJJ loved me as much as i love him, we'd be married ( my fav lederman quote)) he had the score lopsided FOR JOHNSON!

I'm sure Letterman gets paid well. I'm sure he was refering to the "official judges" Okay, my bad :o

I'm sure Letterman gets paid well. I'm sure he was refering to the "official judges"

in all honesty, ledermans card is often in the same vain as my own views on how the fight is going, ignoring the rest of the HBO crew. Thats cool...I sometimes have the same score he does too (which worries me honestly and makes me question myself) but when it's DLH or Jones or Hopkins (all those famous 'house' fighters ) I see him giving rounds to them that they simply didnt win. I've seen it over and over again. On another note, I'd pay him $50 for 6 hr's of just walking thru his home. He has some of the best collectibles on boxing and fighters that anyone has seen. His yr's in the sport has paid off in more ways than one. He's a pharmacist when he's not on HBO (last I heard) but is a major collector of the sport and has stuff that nobody else has...I'd love to take my time just looking at the stuff on his walls at home! ;)

On the occasions that we get the HBO telecasts over here in Britain, I usually find my scores are similar to Lederman's. Black

Oh Harold get's paid WELL for his biased 'views' of each HBO fight... however, he is their "unofficial" house scorer. So, technically he isnt getting paid to judge actual fights...not in that manner, cause his score doesnt count (thank GOD!!!!!) but he is well paid by HBO for his 'services' ;) in all honesty, ledermans card is often in the same vain as my own views on how the fight is going, ignoring the rest of the HBO crew.

On a similar note, I don't think judges make all that much money for a fight. I'm not sure how much, but I remember Harold Letterman saying something about not getting much for judging. That could also be a reason why people don't want to do it. Oh Harold get's paid WELL for his biased 'views' of each HBO fight... however, he is their "unofficial" house scorer. So, technically he isnt getting paid to judge actual fights...not in that manner, cause his score doesnt count (thank GOD!!!!!) but he is well paid by HBO for his 'services' ;)

At least the younger judges would be able to see the fight and maybe keep up with scoring punches thrown better than the old fossils i keep seeing at ringside now. i've also heard back in the 50's or 60's when these dinosaurs started they scored fights different then we do now, they gave the champ more points for defending thats what I meant about the older ones being 'set in their ways' and looking for different things in a fighter than the newer generation ;) To me when they have a history of outrageous scores (Hamada for sure) they need to be pulled cause for some reason he just cant score a fight objectively or accurately. For every fight I watch, I "brace" myself when they are announcing the judges...hoping like hell he's not one of them! :eek:

I thought DLH - Mosley 2 was pretty darned bad...and I was a Mosley supporter! In Britain there've been some really dodgy decision of late. Any British fans see Vanzie-Earl 2? Black I agree but Augutus wins this distinction, by a long shot. He gets jobbed EVERYTIME. His last fight on ESPN especially.

I thought DLH - Mosley 2 was pretty darned bad...and I was a Mosley supporter! In Britain there've been some really dodgy decision of late. Any British fans see Vanzie-Earl 2? Black

Fights that come to mind for me with very dodgy judjing are Holmes - Spinks2, DelaHoya - Sturm and Lewis - Holyfield1 ther are more though just cant think of them at the moment.

On a similar note, I don't think judges make all that much money for a fight. I'm not sure how much, but I remember Harold Letterman saying something about not getting much for judging. That could also be a reason why people don't want to do it.

The sad thing about these judges is that they probably ARE the best ones they have. Which if true says something about the amount of people with the desire to judge.

I agree ( posting this without having seen the actual thread...was just trying to contact you :o ) like Duane Ford and Glen Hamada :eek: Old enough to be my grandfathers! surely there are younger ones with better eyesight available? And some of the older one's are probably by now 'set' in their ways, as in they look only for what they like in a fight, etc...Compared to younger ones that might be more open and objective (Pap, I'll take the time soon to read this thread of yours ;) ) At least the younger judges would be able to see the fight and maybe keep up with scoring punches thrown better than the old fossils i keep seeing at ringside now. i've also heard back in the 50's or 60's when these dinosaurs started they scored fights different then we do now, they gave the champ more points for defending