Good Defence vs Good Chin

.... BTW, "alot" is two words---a lot. Don't really want to be pedantic here, but I see it so many times on these boards it is starting to hurt my eyes. Now if a guy wants to post ain't and gonna to be a regular conversational type of poster that is okay because he knows the diff. I'm not sure how it got started in this country that "alot" was a word, but it ain't. Also, getting proactive here, it's "definitely" not "definately." I post that to you only because most folks who post "alot" also post "defintely" and they also post "supposably" for "supposedly." You don't have to thank me. This is America. The lessons are free. :rofl: Thank you Mr. Chips. :D

well you want both duh ...but you can win a fight just with great defence alone, you cant win a fight by being hit

I think its probably better to block punches with your hands rather than with your head, but hey, to each his own I guess.

I think alot of people get good defense and good chin mixed up. I am not talking about a good defense like Chris Byrd or Sweet Pea. I am talking about keeping your chin tucked at all times and non-punching glove up, that kind of stuff. If you look at David Tua, he hardly gets hit in the chin, only around the top of his head, no clean punches hit him. I'd say that's more good defense than a good chin. Tyson was like that, but once he takes a clean punch he gets a little wobbled. Someone like Mayorga has a good chin because he actually gets hit there, Gatti and Morales too. So, I think alot of boxers who some of you guys feel have a iron chin is just good defense. These guys include: -De La Hoya -Toney -Tyson -Hopkins -Tua (probaby has a good chin, but never seen him hit clean) Toney, Pretty Boy and Winky are tops on my list today..Toney just doesnt take too many shots, Pretty Boy doesnt get hit at all....how the heck can you go an entire fight without getting hit..GATTI, Winky keeps his hands up chin tucked at all times..

I think alot of people get good defense and good chin mixed up. I am not talking about a good defense like Chris Byrd or Sweet Pea. I am talking about keeping your chin tucked at all times and non-punching glove up, that kind of stuff. If you look at David Tua, he hardly gets hit in the chin, only around the top of his head, no clean punches hit him. I'd say that's more good defense than a good chin. Tyson was like that, but once he takes a clean punch he gets a little wobbled. Someone like Mayorga has a good chin because he actually gets hit there, Gatti and Morales too. So, I think alot of boxers who some of you guys feel have a iron chin is just good defense. These guys include: -De La Hoya -Toney -Tyson -Hopkins -Tua (probaby has a good chin, but never seen him hit clean) Holyfield had a dam good chin back in the day as well.

I agree with what Brooklyn & Jimmy was sayin'. A man's neck, legs, back, & stance all affect his ability to be knock down with a clean shot to the chin, as well as their ability to recover. The gloves definitely play a part in the knock down ability but how many ounces to make it a standard is yet to be seen. Now Can U Dig Dat!!!! :boxing:

This is a good arguement,because both are complimentary to each other

Referring to Tua, I don't know if Tua has a chin like a normal man, remember he is samoan. You can't hurt a samoan with a bowling ball let alone a fist. My dad taught me something when I was very young, he said.. "nicky if you ever get in a fight with a Samoan just run, because you sure as hell can't hurt em." my neighbor is a samoaen and hes pretty big. in muscle wise and i sparred with him a few times shit i was afraid to hit him cause he didnt have ne headgear on but when i did hit him with alright power he barely mved i mean his head snaped back but thats all. well it was when i first started boxin also

Samuel Peter has terrible defensive skills and has never been knocked down so I imagine he has a strong chin. Then again he has no neck, his head looks like it just sits on his shoulders.

Jeff Lacy has a good chin. He can go 10-11 rounds of pure being hit in the face without getting wobbley legs.

a good defence goes a long way rather a good chin, you may have a good chin but if it gets hit a lot of times for 12 rounds you know u'l go down eventually

most fighters with good defenses have good chins, anyway. everybody gets hit with a good shot eventually. no exceptions. ali, mayweather, whitaker, pep, tunney, wright, or whoever, they all get hit flush and they have good whiskers anyway. there are some fighters that have good defense but poor chins like roy jones, lennox lewis, miguel cotto, joe louis, thomas hearns, wlad, zab judah, and floyd patterson to name a few. but most fighters with good defense have good chins also, adding more difficulty to defeating them.

Tua has been hit plenty of times with clean shots, whoever said that he hasn't is a moron, the guy that said about Felix Savon is a moron too. Tua was about 18 years old when Savon did that, it counts for absolutely nothing.

James Toney has been hit many times on his chin by hard punchers. Michael Nunn and Vassiliy Jirov both hit him on his chin and he just kept on going. I remember in the second McCallum fight, Mike hit him with a really good shot on the chin in the middle rounds and he didn't even flinch.

Did everyone just forget FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR!?

Referring to Tua, I don't know if Tua has a chin like a normal man, remember he is samoan. You can't hurt a samoan with a bowling ball let alone a fist. My dad taught me something when I was very young, he said.. "nicky if you ever get in a fight with a Samoan just run, because you sure as hell can't hurt em." TUA DOESNT HAVE A NECK SO WHEN U HIT HIS BIG ASS HEAD U MIGHT HURT UR HAND, BECAUSE HIS FREAKIN HEAD WONT SNAP BACK OR NOTHING ;)

Does not matter who you are Samoan or european or whatever, if you get hit hard on the chin you will definitely go down. The average chin(chin of any normal human being) can not withstand more than 50 pound of pressure(known fact). Average heavyweight has about a punch with 450-500 pounds of pressure. Tyson had about 1000 pounds of pressure in his punch. What saves boxer from going down is the actual stance, strong neck, strong legs and good reflexes. For example, look at Joe Mesi's neck, it was very thin and he went down quiet often. So in case of Tua he had very strong legs, very thick neck, he kept his chin tucked in and the fact that in professional boxing gloves prevent fighter from making good fist thus weakening the punch. Hi Brooklyn. I agree with most of your past except that last part. Certain gloves are harder to punch with than other gloves but gloves INCREASE your ability to knock your opponent down, not decrease it. In the 1870's the bare knuckle boxing was meeting all kinds of resistance from religious groups who called the sport evil and uncivilized. Prize fighters themselves didn't like the fifty round bloodbaths but it was harder than hell to knock a man out with bare fists. Most knock downs were the results of pushes and trips and flips which were legal at the time. Many a career was ruined because the hands couldn't take it anymore. Driving gloves were introduced and popularized by fighters like the original Jack Dempsey. It helped get the anti-boxing people off the sports's back but that was not why they started wearing gloves, just like your ears and nose hold your glasses nicely right where they need to be, but that is not why a person has ears and a nose. The idea was to protect the hands. Pretty soon gloves became the order of the day, four ounces at best. They gave the hands better protection and they made it easier to knock a guy down for two reasons---first, you could punch with far more resolve because you weren't worried about busting your hands all to hell, second, the more surface area the wider the pattern of the blow and the easier the oxygen is cut off from the brain. It became clear by the 1910's that boxing gloves increased knockouts. Which is why it is foolish to put more padding in a heavy's gloves. Lighter gloves bust up a face better, but the real brain damage is done by the heavier gloves. The Germans have a word schwerpunkt, it is the striking point of a blow in military terms. The schwerpunkt of a bare fist will punch a hole into a face but a gloved fist takes that force and distributes it over the entire striking area. There is no schwerpunkt. The result is the brain inside the head, which is floating on fluid, is far more traumitized than if the force had been reduced by a puncturing knuckle. Once you get to 16 ounces, like sparring gloves, the padding benefit starts to outweigh the penalty of no schwerpunkt. You get to 20 ounces and you might as well be punching each other with pillows. Eight ounces seem the perfect compromise, but this makes sense and would improve the sport so of course it will never be adopted. Jimmy

Or you can be the ultimate fighter like Marvin Hagler and have Grade AA defence and also a Grade AA chin and know when to employ both.

So, I think alot of boxers who some of you guys feel have a iron chin is just good defense. These guys include: -De La Hoya -Toney -Tyson -Hopkins -Tua (probaby has a good chin, but never seen him hit clean) Hi teakay. They accused Ali of not being able to take a shot, back when he was Cassius Clay, imagine that? There was no way to know. It was assumed because he danced and talked and was "pretty" he would fold up like a lawn chair if he got tagged. A good chin is a combination of a lot of factors that add up to a guy not going down where maybe most guys would. BTW, "alot" is two words---a lot. Don't really want to be pedantic here, but I see it so many times on these boards it is starting to hurt my eyes. Now if a guy wants to post ain't and gonna to be a regular conversational type of poster that is okay because he knows the diff. I'm not sure how it got started in this country that "alot" was a word, but it ain't. Also, getting proactive here, it's "definitely" not "definately." I post that to you only because most folks who post "alot" also post "defintely" and they also post "supposably" for "supposedly." You don't have to thank me. This is America. The lessons are free.

Referring to Tua, I don't know if Tua has a chin like a normal man, remember he is samoan. You can't hurt a samoan with a bowling ball let alone a fist. My dad taught me something when I was very young, he said.. "nicky if you ever get in a fight with a Samoan just run, because you sure as hell can't hurt em." that's bs.