I think ricky hatton is without doubt one of the most exciting fighters in boxing. he's relentless all action style is always going to be entertaining - but is he that good? living in britain you get to see a lot of him but i think missing out on the harris fight was a big loss. can hatton cut it against kt, sharmba, cotto, floyd? i dont think he beats any of those personally and while id like to see him do weel have reservations on his ability to take a shot and avoid cuts. any thoughts?
How's this for using the quotes? Ok, now on for what I have to say.
You call Sharmba untested, how about B-hop? He's fought three names in his carrer: lost to the first, beat the second two. Now, does that mean that before DLH he was untested because he'd only beaten one name? I think you're wrong. Tests don't merely come from fighting names and tough fighters can have bad records (look at Emmanuel Augustus).
As for Mayweather, I think he beats almost everyone from 140 on down except for maybe KZ who has the style and experience to beat him right now (if he does well after the layoff and injury). Other than that, PBF dominates 140 until Cotto gets enough fights to challenge the style.
How dare you call Juan Diaz, J.L. Castillo, Chico Corrales, and Juan Lazcano contenders at Lightweight? They are all champions or former champs and, in my honest opinion, they can gain the extra 5 pounds and win easily (except for Juan Diaz and Lazcano who win but not easily) against Hatton. Hell, Julio Diaz would be the best Jr. Welter right now if he weren't a super lightweight.
And no, I din't pick Dorin.
It's funny how you call Mayweather fans nuthuggers while you're swinging from Ricky's as I type.
The difference between Hopkins and Mitchell opponents are that Hopkins recent opponents have been in the top 10 at the time of him fighting them. I wouldnt waste my time defending Nard anyway because i dont think he warrants his p4p number 1 rating, fighters like Mayweather have challege after challege against genuine top 5 fighters(most champs) at multiple weights. Mayweather is my p4p number 1.
I dont agree that Tszyu(even though he's a great boxer) has a Floyd beating style, Tszyu is a flat footed box puncher and Mayweathers in and out style would cause him problems. Cotto has a Floyd beating style, his fast KO combos could counter Floyd and hurt him. I agree that Floyd could be 140 king but he's a little too small and he knows it. I wouldnt be suprised if thats a reason he's taking time off to add muscle weight. If floyd doesnt beef up i'd say he struggles against Harris, Hatton, Tszyu and Cotto. I'm not saying they would win but Floyd will have a very hard fight against them.
How dare you!! How dare you ?? LMAO!!! :p
Contender = to compete or fight. all the fighters you mention are competing to become number 1, there isnt a set number 1 in the division so the are all contending for the postition! LAUGH MY FUCKING ASS OFF!! :D
the differnce between a nuthugger and a someone who respects a fighter is that the nuthugger cant comprehend their fighter losing, i'm fully aware that Hatton CAN BE BEAT!! and Mayweather nuthuggers refuse to believe he can be beat!
It would be an idea if you learned how to use the quote button, maybe then people would know who your speaking to.
I know i made a comment about Micthells fighting record so i'll answer the question.
This is how you can call a 55 fight vetran untested!! after 38 pro fights he was fighting Allen Osborne, a fighter who had lost his last 10 fights and holded a record 8-15-1. Hatton faced a 36-2-2 at that stage in his career and got abuse for fighting bums.
Mitchell has had ONE test in his career! in that first test he got a beating and retired himself. A man with 1 test and 1 loss is a failure!!
He's still fighting chumps with terrible records now! his last opponent - http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=006260
He's the most untested 55 fight world rated boxer ever!! He should change his nickname from little big man to little man, big bitch!!
You right, Mayweather does give anyone problems but that doesnt mean he beats anyone, which most Mayweather nuthuggers seem to think.
Dont be so silly, to name lightweight contenders as possible Hatton victors! Do you watch boxing?? You probably picked Dorin to beat Gatti too! :D
I dont thinking your speaking to me about the Hatton proving himself section in you post, you cant be because i never said that. I have never said Hatton has proved himself.
Hatton has beaten up some Mitchell left overs, it would be hard not too, Micthell has had 55 fights and it obvious Hatton would have to fight some fighters he has already beaten.
Someone had to beat up them fighters anyway, Mitchell couldnt so Hatton did it for him.
How's this for using the quotes? Ok, now on for what I have to say.
You call Sharmba untested, how about B-hop? He's fought three names in his carrer: lost to the first, beat the second two. Now, does that mean that before DLH he was untested because he'd only beaten one name? I think you're wrong. Tests don't merely come from fighting names and tough fighters can have bad records (look at Emmanuel Augustus).
As for Mayweather, I think he beats almost everyone from 140 on down except for maybe KZ who has the style and experience to beat him right now (if he does well after the layoff and injury). Other than that, PBF dominates 140 until Cotto gets enough fights to challenge the style.
How dare you call Juan Diaz, J.L. Castillo, Chico Corrales, and Juan Lazcano contenders at Lightweight? They are all champions or former champs and, in my honest opinion, they can gain the extra 5 pounds and win easily (except for Juan Diaz and Lazcano who win but not easily) against Hatton. Hell, Julio Diaz would be the best Jr. Welter right now if he weren't a super lightweight.
And no, I din't pick Dorin.
It's funny how you call Mayweather fans nuthuggers while you're swinging from Ricky's as I type.
How can you say that Sharmba is untested in 55 pro fights? I had him winning the fight against Tszyu when he had to quit because of his knee (and KZ's roughhousing). That is why I pick Sharmba to win the upcoming fight.
Also, Mayweather's style causes problems for ANYBODY. Yes, Castillo might've arguably won the first fight against Mayweather, but that is the only arguable fight on his record (unlike, say, DLH). Hell, I'd pick Castillo, Lazcano, Corrales, and even Juan Diaz to beat Hatton, and they are one weight class below him. I think Chico would murder him, worse than anyone out there, probably, followed closely by Cotto and Kostya.
I'm not saying Hatton is a bum, but he has been fighting bums (and Sharmba's table scraps) for ever. To say that Hatton has proven himself (against fighters that Sharmba beat before him) and turn around and say Sharmba has not been tested is arrogant and fanatical.
It would be an idea if you learned how to use the quote button, maybe then people would know who your speaking to.
I know i made a comment about Micthells fighting record so i'll answer the question.
This is how you can call a 55 fight vetran untested!! after 38 pro fights he was fighting Allen Osborne, a fighter who had lost his last 10 fights and holded a record 8-15-1. Hatton faced a 36-2-2 at that stage in his career and got abuse for fighting bums.
Mitchell has had ONE test in his career! in that first test he got a beating and retired himself. A man with 1 test and 1 loss is a failure!!
He's still fighting chumps with terrible records now! his last opponent - http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=006260
He's the most untested 55 fight world rated boxer ever!! He should change his nickname from little big man to little man, big bitch!!
You right, Mayweather does give anyone problems but that doesnt mean he beats anyone, which most Mayweather nuthuggers seem to think.
Dont be so silly, to name lightweight contenders as possible Hatton victors! Do you watch boxing?? You probably picked Dorin to beat Gatti too! :D
I dont thinking your speaking to me about the Hatton proving himself section in you post, you cant be because i never said that. I have never said Hatton has proved himself.
Hatton has beaten up some Mitchell left overs, it would be hard not too, Micthell has had 55 fights and it obvious Hatton would have to fight some fighters he has already beaten.
Someone had to beat up them fighters anyway, Mitchell couldnt so Hatton did it for him.
To say that Hatton has proven himself (against fighters that Sharmba beat before him) and turn around and say Sharmba has not been tested is arrogant and fanatical.
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How can you say that Sharmba is untested in 55 pro fights? I had him winning the fight against Tszyu when he had to quit because of his knee (and KZ's roughhousing). That is why I pick Sharmba to win the upcoming fight.
Also, Mayweather's style causes problems for ANYBODY. Yes, Castillo might've arguably won the first fight against Mayweather, but that is the only arguable fight on his record (unlike, say, DLH). Hell, I'd pick Castillo, Lazcano, Corrales, and even Juan Diaz to beat Hatton, and they are one weight class below him. I think Chico would murder him, worse than anyone out there, probably, followed closely by Cotto and Kostya.
I'm not saying Hatton is a bum, but he has been fighting bums (and Sharmba's table scraps) for ever. To say that Hatton has proven himself (against fighters that Sharmba beat before him) and turn around and say Sharmba has not been tested is arrogant and fanatical.
Did you see Harris sparring with Dehoyas? He got tired really easily and he should be fight fit ready for urkal.
Harris starts with the jab and forgets about it half way through the round. he does get dragged into a war from what i have seen.
Yeah I seen the sparring footage. That's why I said he has good skills when he wants to but he always gets dragged into brawls. I think that is a fight Hatton and his people should of made because it is a fight I could definitely see Hatton winning. Hatton is the draw but to me he has to prove more than just being the draw in his hometown.
could you imagine a show down between hatton and cotto
Left Hook nite
i think it would come down to who can avoid or withstand whos left hooks
both guys are relatively untested
this one would be a pickem fight
havent seen much of hatton
so id have to pick Cotto
The thing about Harris is that he likes to get in brawls. He has very good skills when stays back and keeps enough distance so he can through that right hand. He also has a very good jab.
Did you see Harris sparring with Dehoyas? He got tired really easily and he should be fight fit ready for urkal.
Harris starts with the jab and forgets about it half way through the round. he does get dragged into a war from what i have seen.
I think Mayweather is at his best defensively against the ropes. His shoulder roll is the best in boxing and his opponents think it's easy to land punches but they find out it only makes them tired.
I agree, it works very well but Hatton punches are very solid and his stamina is unreal, i doubt he will get tired.
Mayweather will have a shock if he uses the Chavez tactics against Hatton. Mayweather is a clever boxer so i doubt he will.
The thing about Harris is that he likes to get in brawls. He has very good skills when stays back and keeps enough distance so he can through that right hand. He also has a very good jab.
I think Mayweather is at his best defensively against the ropes. His shoulder roll is the best in boxing and his opponents think it's easy to land punches but they find out it only makes them tired.
I agree with the list but I would take harris out of 3 and bump mayweather and mitchell up to 3 and 4 and slot harris in above gatti
I think Harris is a dangerous puncher, his right hand will trouble Hatton.
Thats the only reason i consider him a harder fight than Mayweather and Mitchell. If they could punch as hard as Harris then there would be no doubt they should be higher on the list.
You have to remember that Castillo comes in weighing above the junior middleweight level as well. I believe thier strenght is about equal that's why I said I didn't believe Hatton is stronger. He's fast but Mayweather is faster. Castillo didn't force Mayweather to fight in the first fight. I believe it was Mayweather's choice to fight that way and I believe it was going to cost him the fight as I had Castillo winning a close fight. Mayweather made that adjustment in the second fight and won it fairly easy if you ask me. He wouldn't stand there and pick off shots from Hatton the way he did with Castillo in the first fight. He would move alot more and pick his shots and get out of the way of Hatton's return. Mayweather has way more things he can do in the ring than Hatton does.
Its a very good styles match.
The only problem i have with Mayweathers style is that back up to the ropes easily and doesnt slip shots(he covers up).
I think Mayweather would have good chance of beating Hatton on points but i cant remember the last time Hatton lost a round(aparts from Magee's flash knockdown)
Mayweather will have to be very slick to win(he's definitly capable).
This list is my opinion of the hardest fight for Hatton at light-welter.
This list is picked on styles matches and isnt my 140lbs ratings.
1)Cotto
2)Tszyu
3)Harris
4)Mayweather
6)Micthell
7)Gatti
I agree with the list but I would take harris out of 3 and bump mayweather and mitchell up to 3 and 4 and slot harris in above gatti
You have to remember that Castillo comes in weighing above the junior middleweight level as well. I believe thier strenght is about equal that's why I said I didn't believe Hatton is stronger. He's fast but Mayweather is faster. Castillo didn't force Mayweather to fight in the first fight. I believe it was Mayweather's choice to fight that way and I believe it was going to cost him the fight as I had Castillo winning a close fight. Mayweather made that adjustment in the second fight and won it fairly easy if you ask me. He wouldn't stand there and pick off shots from Hatton the way he did with Castillo in the first fight. He would move alot more and pick his shots and get out of the way of Hatton's return. Mayweather has way more things he can do in the ring than Hatton does.
This list is my opinion of the hardest fight for Hatton at light-welter.
This list is picked on styles matches and isnt my 140lbs ratings.
1)Cotto
2)Tszyu
3)Harris
4)Mayweather
6)Micthell
7)Gatti
Mayweather knows what style Hatton would bring so do you really believe he would fight Hatton the way he fought Corley. He dominated Corley even though Corley had his moments for a few seconds of the fight. Floyd's defense is very hard to penetrate if he doesn't want his opponents to hit him. He also moves very good and can hit Hatton and get out of the way quick enough before Hatton can get any offense going. Hatton is not stronger than Castillo in my opinion and Castillo was never able to really back Mayweather up even though he was applying tons of pressure so I don't think Hatton can just walk through Mayweather.
Against Mayweather, Castillo looked like a ploding journeyman but he still won the first fight(in most fans opinion).
Hatton weighs upto 160lbs on fight night, he's faster, bigger and Stronger than Castillo.
If Castillo had Hatton stamina and Workrate there would have been no doubts about Castillo winning, same with Chavez!
Mayweather knows what style Hatton would bring so do you really believe he would fight Hatton the way he fought Corley. He dominated Corley even though Corley had his moments for a few seconds of the fight. Floyd's defense is very hard to penetrate if he doesn't want his opponents to hit him. He also moves very good and can hit Hatton and get out of the way quick enough before Hatton can get any offense going. Hatton is not stronger than Castillo in my opinion and Castillo was never able to really back Mayweather up even though he was applying tons of pressure so I don't think Hatton can just walk through Mayweather.
mmmm...Interesting Just a couple of points Junior Witter is tested he had a shot at the IBF title against Judah and clung on for 12 rounds of awful boxing - was totally outclassed. The only reason you think he's untested is because he's been fighting bums for the last two years and than bragging about how good he is. Mayweather is also to be fair untested at 140 against a top 10 boxer.
Agreed.
*i wrote this because my message is too short* ;)
elveiel, I read your post. You did say Cotto and Tszyu, I appologize. That being said, what about Harris? He's got a monster of a right hand. I understand your point of view but I don't think that he can keep Mayweather off of him. Mayweather's power is underrated and, I'd dare to say, he hits harder than anyone Ricky has faced to date.
Ricky is unproven, just like Jermain Taylor, Junior Witter, and others out there that have big followings but can't seem to "find" a fight with a top 10 opponent or someone who isn't blown up from another weight division. I think Ricky needs to step it up and should've fought Sharmba or Harris when he had the chance.
I doubt Mayweather bombs will hurt any top 5 light welter! I have seen Hatton take some good shots which look a lot harder than super feather floyd can give, I dont think Mayweather can keep Hatton off him and not the other way round.
I wasnt talking about Harris when i said he'd walk though the rest of them, it was only Mitchell and Mayweather. Although Harris isnt KOing at the moment he's still a dangerous puncher. That right hand he throws is a bomb!!
I understand why you would compare Taylor and Hattons situation but not Witter, he's a chump who doesnt want a big fight.
I dont think Hatton should have taken the Harris and Mitchell fight, He's the draw and to get chump change would be a joke. Anyway if Hatton untested so Mitchell, infact Mitchell has had one test and failed. Harris may be the WBA champ but he hasnt beaten a top 5 guy yet. Infact out of the whole divsion only Tszyu can say he's beaten some the best!
This is all my opinon and i dont expect others to think the same, i try to pick fights based on styles and physical advantages, i know you cant always be right. Maybe i'm wrong but until Mayweather shows me something a light welter i'm betting on a Hatton win.