Roy Jones emulates everything wrong with boxing

how the hell did this Ali/Vietnam draft thing come up?

Not only did Ali dodge the draft, Didnt he throw is olympic gold metal away also? Its not the point if you agree with a war or not. When you are a citizen of a country you do have obligations. At that era he had an obligation to report to the army. He refused. Laws are laws and they need to be respected. I thought his refusal was an act of cowardice, not politics. 58,000 dead. a couple million wounded and disfigured. people accepting the draft (like the mindless sheep they are) and people dodging the draft (the few Americans who had balls). all these facts surrounded the Vietnam war. with so many dead and wounded, what kind of chances do u think ali had of surviving that "war"? ali put it best himself: "Why should I go off and fight a war for you when you won't even fight for me at home?" "obligations of being a citizen of a country"? don't gimme that bullshit. ali (as well as myself) would rather be a human with his own mind and will instead of a citizen with an "obligation". honestly, would u go fight a war for the same country that wouldnt piss on you if you were on fire, the same country that would deprive you of every right you had as a human being? ali didnt. i wouldnt. and if you would: go join the army and see what its like to "serve" your country. cowardice? dont make me laugh. whos the bigger coward: the coward who does what hes told and doesnt challenge authority or the coward who stands up for what he believes in?

Roy showed he had a chin in the past. He just got cracked by 2 monster shots FLUSH that just about would KO anyone. Difference is back then he would have seen it a mile away and dodged it. Leave the shoulder rolling to Mayweather Roy

Not only did Ali dodge the draft, Didnt he throw is olympic gold metal away also? Its not the point if you agree with a war or not. When you are a citizen of a country you do have obligations. At that era he had an obligation to report to the army. He refused. Laws are laws and they need to be respected. I thought his refusal was an act of cowardice, not politics. Malcolm X said it best to me. "If its wrong to be violent, defending black women, black children and black men. Then its wrong for america to draft us, and make us violent abroad on the face of the earth" Dont you have a fuckin clue what was happening to black people at the time? We were second class citizens with a government that had nerve enough to make us fight? It takes more balls to say "fuck it i aint gonna go" than to fuckin bow down and be like "ok yes sir, yes masta". So fuck that. I wouldnt report to shit.

Not only did Ali dodge the draft, Didnt he throw is olympic gold metal away also? Its not the point if you agree with a war or not. When you are a citizen of a country you do have obligations. At that era he had an obligation to report to the army. He refused. Laws are laws and they need to be respected. I thought his refusal was an act of cowardice, not politics.

One thing is certain after reading this thread, D.M. fans are not willing to accept the fact that Darius didn't want any part of fighting a Roy Jones Jr. - he had the chance, but he wouldn't leave his hometown judges, who would have given him a win unless he was totaly unconcious. Roy offered to meet him in a nuetral country and D.M. turned it down. They also can't see that D.M. had his hands full with fighters that Roy mopped the ring with. Look fight fans, R.J.J. is probably one of the most naturally gifted athletes that this sport has ever seen, it is not his fault that the division was less than stellar at times, we don't hold it against Marciano do we? Roy was heads and shoulders above the competition in his prime, and yes that means D.M. would have been taken apart by Jones. There is no part of D.M.'s game that would have been something that Jones couldn't handle. As for the Quitsko Bros fan club founding member that posted the original piece, I'll say this about the brothers - it looks to me like they aren't even at the top of their own soft, -no - very soft division. And let's see how many more excuses they can come up with, and by the way, the list is already getting pretty damn long. It seems they have had nothing but excuses, but the real one is they can't take the punishment of the heavyweight division, just like Roy said, and may I add also, not without their "roids" - just look at the pics of Vitaly as tall skinny kick boxer and Vitaly as a boxer, hmmm, mighty powerfull, that Russian spinach!!!!

oh i get so sick of peopel saying hopkins wasnt developed. WELL NITHER WAS JONES THEY WERE THE SAME LEVELS APART THEN AS THEY ARE NOW. jones was better than hopkins than with neither one of them being developed, and jones and hopkisn both got better. if jones wouldnt have got any better and hopkind would have then ok there could be an argument but they both got apart so therefore there still as far apart as they were then. btw im meaning the jones of up until the losses against the hopkins of now. but jones will get back to that point with the tarver fight. I agree with what your saying...

Yup, I don't care when he beat Hopkins or Toney...he still beat them. Its not his fault Hopkins was too green and Toney weight problem. oh i get so sick of peopel saying hopkins wasnt developed. WELL NITHER WAS JONES THEY WERE THE SAME LEVELS APART THEN AS THEY ARE NOW. jones was better than hopkins than with neither one of them being developed, and jones and hopkisn both got better. if jones wouldnt have got any better and hopkind would have then ok there could be an argument but they both got apart so therefore there still as far apart as they were then. btw im meaning the jones of up until the losses against the hopkins of now. but jones will get back to that point with the tarver fight.

All i got to say is Roy beat two of the best fighters 2day in Hopkins & Toney...And beat them both soundly..Roy woulda beat any one in his weight classes in his era...i dont care what people say... Yup, I don't care when he beat Hopkins or Toney...he still beat them. Its not his fault Hopkins was too green and Toney weight problem.

well, first we have to find out whats wrong with boxing: -bad decisions -boring fights -all talk and no walk fighters -selling out -fight dodgers -money-grubbers -posers -overhyped fighters never live up to expectations -little or no risk-takers -fighters claim to be the best even though they never prove it -little or no main-stream appeal -brutal, memorable slugfests are too few and far between -guys with weak chins act like badasses -quitters -upsets by mediocre opponents (except tarver's far better than mediocre) -long lay-offs -only two fights a year (three if ur lucky) -excuses galore! -and nobody likes challenges ... yep... sounds just like roy jones jr!

"Its not so much his of chin as it is his heart though. He's like a dog that can't fight from the bottom. Nope he did not (ever have heart), because he never had it, its just that he was so big that you never got the chance to see him fight from the downside...Probably it (retiring) would be a good idea for him to because he's only a six round fighter and only Butterbean can really handle that...They (the Klitschkos) cannot take what they dish out." He's 0-2 since saying this. So you hate Roy for telling the truth?

roy jones A lot of boxing fans share certain attributes that resemble professional wrestling fans: the bravado and drama are more important than the literal skill of the athlete. Many boxers go most of their careers fighting lesser opponents, causing the casual boxing fan to go "Wow, this guy must be really great, he's knocking fools out left and right". But the story occurrs over and over - that the superstar picks a nobody (thinking it an easy victory) without knowing that that "nobody" is going to knock him out. See: Buster Douglass and Glen Johnson. Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins are both millionaires for fighting nobody's for the most part. It's not that they're not skilled (or were), it's just that eventually they go up against a nobody who realize they are a nobody and seize the opportunity to become a somebody by not being intimidated by the star boxer in the opposing corner. to quote denzel washington in "Training Day": It ain't checkers, it's chess.

QUESTION .... when you hear somebody say something like "Jones was/is my favorite fighter?" What do you say to them? I usually say nothing, 'cause I figure a true fight fan does not choose Jones to represent. Thats retarded, being a "true fight fan" means knowing the sport and having some insight on who is who in boxing. You dont need to like a certain fighter to be considered a true fucking fight fan, my fav team in the NBA is the Warriors, they suck year in and year out, does it mean im not a true basketball fan because my team sucks so hard? No, it would be cliche to say "oh well, im a true fight fan, one of my fav fighters is sugar ray robinson, as well as eder joffre". Man fuck that, like who you like as long display some knowledge on the sport.

All i got to say is Roy beat two of the best fighters 2day in Hopkins & Toney...And beat them both soundly..Roy woulda beat any one in his weight classes in his era...i dont care what people say...

The 1st post in this thread is really rich coming from one of the biggest Vitali Klitschko Nut Huggers around. :rolleyes:

ali refused to fight for his own country. . Fuck Vietnam, like he said "Nobody in Vietnam ever called me a ******". I wouldnt have fuckin went neither. At that time, black people could barely have any equal rights, defending women and children from lynchings/church burnings/cross burnings etc. Man fuck all that shit.

Should Americans care enough to protect others from mass murder? I hope we continue to do so. That some others do not tells us something about them, and you'll pardon me if I think our values are superior. and also continue PROMOTING mass murder like in latin america in the 70s

No one in the US was in any danger of being killed or even hurt by the Viet Cong. The only americans who were, were the ones who went over there starting shit without any real information. That war was complete bullshit. When the US withdrew, the North Vietnamese crushed the South and killed more than 1 million civilians. Remember, this was in the era of Cold War and many people were of the belief that the spread of Communism had to be stopped and Vietnam was the place. Also, WW-II was not so distant and people just had a different mindset than many do today. Living through the Holocaust and saying "never again" actually meant something. Muhammad Ali was totally within his rights to be a conscientous objector, and should not have been stripped of his freedom and boxing titles IMO. Draftees got a bad deal, considering it was not voluntary, but enlisted military were doing what they agreed to do for their country. If you sign up for military service, you don't get to decide which are in your opinion good and bad assignments. By the way, Nixon took us out of the war in 1973. To this day, there has not been a fair election in Vietnam since the end of the war. There was not a single boat person prior to 1973. After that, people fled from South Vietnam by any means possible. Do you know any boat people? I know a couple, and they were lucky to escape. Their siblings and parents didn't make it out alive. Should Americans care enough to protect others from mass murder? I hope we continue to do so. That some others do not tells us something about them, and you'll pardon me if I think our values are superior.

Hold on Hold on let me say something here! Jones, Hagler, Robinson, Leonard, Duran, Ali, and Marciano! Did I just mention all those fighters in the same breath OOPS MY BAD!! HAHAHAHA Jones could have been the best there was he just got hit twice really good his chin was there he just got hit really good plain and simple, many fighters get dropped by a good punch from the worst fighters How can you say he ducked everyone he fought everyone that was in front of him and he beat him everyone was just too afraid to really fight him and come on Douglas you have to be kidding me I have never heard more crap in one article in my life I wouldnt fight douglas either I dont even know why Tyson did he has always been a bum and got lucky that one time! Jones is great and when Tarver and him fight again he is going to win!

I got this off another site. I thought it summed up my point of view quite nicely. "You can't deny his talents but his outside the ring behavior for the last decade defined everything that is wrong with the sport of boxing. This man lied to the fans, spoiled many potential fights, and acted as though he was untouchable. He routinely acted like he was bigger than the sport and made it clear that in order for him to fight any legitimate threat, said threat would have to bend over backwards and make a load of sacrifices just to get the fight. He also consistently went out of his way to belittle, insult, and call out people he had no intention of fighting. For some reason, fight fans accepted this garbage and even promoted it. They felt like Roy Jones could go around fighting obviously inferior competition without testing himself and he could just retain his p4p title no matter what. They gave him the pass because they foolishly thought he was unbeatable, so it didn't matter who he fought because he would beat everyone anyway. Of course this was ridiculous, but it mattered little in the eyes of many fans and members of the media. Finally, we see why he avoided tough competition for so long. He went nearly a decade without fighting anyone who presented a challenge, and he got KTFO twice. Yes his reflexes have diminished, but that doesn't mean his chin just became tappable overnight. The chin was always there, it's just that he avoided top flight fighters for so long, and so many of his opponents were intimidated by him that they didn't really try to tap his chin, it never got tested. Is there really any question now as to why he didn't want to fight Michalczewski? Why he backed out of the Jirov fight with the contract signed by Jirov? Why he backed out of the Buster Douglas fight when the contract signed by Douglas? No. He might have been harder to hit, but that questionable chin was always there. (He forgot to mention Sanders) Roy Jones was a great athletic talent but he was terrible for the sport in many ways. You don't deserve to be mentioned in the breath of greats like Hagler, Robinson, Leonard, Duran, Ali, and so forth when you refuse to test yourself and fight the best. This guy was bad for the sport of boxing and all I can say is good riddance. Glen Johnson was the best choice to flush Jones' career. Glen Johnson exemplifies everything that's good about the sport of boxing, he is the anti-Jones." i dont agree %100 but good article man