Oscar or Roy: Which one needs to retire badly?

definately roy, i mean he has not got what he used to have, and he could get hurt for life if he keeps going, i say he should retire, but oscar may have one more megafight left in him

Roy's health seems more at issue than Oscars right now. Oscar has the option to drop some weight and still be successfull - I don't think Roy has that option. Both should retire anyway...

Gotta agree there Jabs, once the loss has been processed, and the dust has settled then his legacy and history will be confirmed as an all time great. It happens great fighters have to lose sometime or have a dodgy perfromance to let them know its time to go. I just hope RJJ doesnt stay on and ruin it by trying to do what his head thinks he can but his body longer is able. For the record Ive never liked him, always been a fan of the antehero in hopkins, BUT one cannot deny what a great special and wonderful fighter RJJ has been. Those who say he has been "exposed" or trying to belittle his achievements dont understand boxing well enough to see past their own bias.. ;) after i saw the two fights last saturday. there's no doubt in my mind that rjj has no option but to retire. he looked so old and the fire wasn't there anymore. he was a completely different jones jr. that we saw even a year ago. i guess when tarver knocked him out cold last may, he lost every ounce of confidence he got in his heart. delahoya on another hand, has at leat two years of boxing left in him. the difference between dlh and rjj is that the former is a crowd-pleaser and it seems that everybody loves him. just one win is enough for everybody to forgive him. he lost to hopkins who was obviously the better and stronger fighter because it was a mismatch. dlh imo just quit in rd. 9 to prevent any further damage to his body which was the best thing to do. besides, bhop was comfortably ahead by at least 3-4 rounds on my score card. dlh if he's really smart will not make the same mistake of choosing the wrong opponent again. but who can blame him, $30 million is just too good a mistake to make!!!

Gotta agree there Jabs, once the loss has been processed, and the dust has settled then his legacy and history will be confirmed as an all time great. It happens great fighters have to lose sometime or have a dodgy perfromance to let them know its time to go. I just hope RJJ doesnt stay on and ruin it by trying to do what his head thinks he can but his body longer is able. For the record Ive never liked him, always been a fan of the antehero in hopkins, BUT one cannot deny what a great special and wonderful fighter RJJ has been. Those who say he has been "exposed" or trying to belittle his achievements dont understand boxing well enough to see past their own bias.. ;)

So you don't think that his recent losses will affect boxing fans' view on him?" Only the view that he is a stubborn fool. But, real fans know what he accomplished. They know how specil he was over a long period of time.

Holyfield is ruining his record by losing like he is. But, we all know how great he was, when he was in his prime. His standing, historically, is intact Can you imagine what Holyfield (Gatti, too) will be like in ten years ? His brain will be MUSH. So you don't think that his recent losses will affect boxing fans' view on him? Gatti and Morales and pretty much every light guy that fights in "wars" will be like that later on in life. They can't take that punishment for so long and expect nothing to happen.

Holyfield is ruining his record by losing like he is. But, we all know how great he was, when he was in his prime. His standing, historically, is intact Can you imagine what Holyfield (Gatti, too) will be like in ten years ? His brain will be MUSH.

Well...they should both retire. They are filthy rich, & have accomplished all that they can. Roy needs to leave because he has been horrificly KO'd twice. Oscar needs to leave before he himself begins to suffer the same fate. The problem ? What made these guys as excellent as they were, is what will make them fight beyond their best.....DRIVING EGOS. DLH can still do well in boxing. RJJ is nothing now and should leave. Holyfield is driven by his ego too. He's got nothing but he insists on boxing anyway. He's ruining his record by losing to people like Ruiz and Toney. I wonder what will happen to Bowe now that he's back. Perhaps he can have a match with Toney to settle once and for all who is the bigger eater in the heavyweight division.

Well...they should both retire. They are filthy rich, & have accomplished all that they can. Roy needs to leave because he has been horrificly KO'd twice. Oscar needs to leave before he himself begins to suffer the same fate. The problem ? What made these guys as excellent as they were, is what will make them fight beyond their best.....DRIVING EGOS.

I like Oscar De La Hoya, because he is a very good fighter. I don't want him to retire. I hope to see him box again.

This is so stupid. This would like if RJJ wasn't a phoney and he fought Wlad or Lewis and they KO'd him. Why should he have retired then. He would just have gone back down in weight where he belonged. Jones didn't go down far enough though after Ruiz he belongs at super middleweight or middleweight. DLH should just go back down in weight where he belongs and see how does there before he even thinks about retiring.

"its just a well hyped campaign" LOL!!!!

both fighters should retire. almost everybody thought roy had a bad day with tarver. so a 2nd ko is seen as the end. well, i think there's no need to see oscar get his 2nd ko before saying its the end for him. roy & oscar just don't have it anymore. its just a well hyped campaign from those who like to earn from their fights that we still see both. let's give the real fighters a break. no more lousy fights!!!!!!!!!!!

Out of the two, Jones more than DLH. He just looks unmotivated. He's just ganna get hurt. DLH is slowly fading and well past his prime. I still would like to see him go down in weight and see if he can still reign supreme.

i don't think either of them should retire. i enjoy a good knockout. seriously though, roy should seriously consider retirement. or learn how to box. i have been waiting for someone to actually get in there and smother him. jones couoldn't move to the side with johnson because for one he was against the ropes and when he tried he met a glove. he had nowhere to go. when jones did throw i thought he still had his speed. but johnson never let him get set up and kept pressuring him. thats why we never really saw the speed that everyone says was lost due to age. 35 is not old for boxing. 40 is. i don't even like b-hop but i tell ya for a man about to be 40 he sure does still look good in the ring. i know some people lose it and get old faster. right. whatever.

Age, death and taxes! 3 certain things in life :o Poor Roy never saw "age" coming. Neither did the great Joe Louis; but then, Joe didn't see the taxman coming either! :(

Palma, there is something indisutable in boxing. When a fighter has a combination of skills and power, his career will fade slowly. When a fighter relies solely on power, he will continue to have a puncher's chance. When a fighter wins solely on handspeed and movement, he will get old overnight. Jones was in the 3rd category for his entire career. Age, death and taxes! 3 certain things in life :o Poor Roy never saw "age" coming.

Roy should. I don't remember Oscar having been laid out in consecutive matches by someone in his natural weight category. :confused:

That makes a lotta sense.

Palma, there is something indisutable in boxing. When a fighter has a combination of skills and power, his career will fade slowly. When a fighter relies solely on power, he will continue to have a puncher's chance. When a fighter wins solely on handspeed and movement, he will get old overnight. Jones was in the 3rd category for his entire career.