Klitschko vs. Chagaev is Set For June 20 in Germany

[Vivid Intent]

Young was a bum. That he won against Foreman tells more about Foreman than about Young.
He LOST/DREW against Shavers. Get over it.
He LOST against Ali. Don't make things up.

I take it you've never seen the fight then, he was flat out robbed.

It's obvious by your post count and crazy statements you're just an alt trying to wind people up, I doubt anyone could be that much of an idiot.

Earnie Shavers had 56 fight against 200+ opponents of which he KOed 38. 32 (of these 38) were bums. How bummy? VERY BUMMY. Their median career record is 5-17 (yes, 5 wins and 17 losses). KOs against such guys are meaningless.

Shavers is regarded by most people with a clue as the hardest hitting HW of all-time. And these comments come from the great fighters who took the punches, not some boxrec boy behind his keyboard.

[Klitschko2011]

[knn]

I take it you've never seen the fight then, he was flat out robbed.

Yeah, stick to your revisionism until it fits your opinion.

Shavers is regarded by most people with a clue as the hardest hitting HW of all-time.

Oh, for a moment I thought you have some real counter-facts. Instead you merely repeat

• "Everybody knows what a strong Shavers was" and
• "Who cares about career records? The reputation counts"

I don't care about the OPINION of anyone when the RECORD proves it WRONG.

Shaver's AVERAGE win-opponent is 14wins-17losses = bum
Shaver's AVERAGE loss-opponent is 40wins-8losses = decent.

IN OTHER WORDS: Shavers was a KOer/beater of BUMS and won less and less as soon as the opponents got better.

In his career he won only 7 times (6KOs) against somewhat decent 200+ opponents... and lost 7 times (3 KOs)

Tua by the same standards has 13-3 (with more KO wins and less KO losses) = has a record approx. 10 times better than Shavers.

Lennox beating Tua is 10 times worth more than Ali eating Shavers.

Please don't reply to my post until you have some factual counter-arguments, that don't need to be supported by smilies.

[pcr405]

Haye put the offer on the table of 3 weeks later and wlad didnt take it?? Why are people saying haye is ducking wlad?? Why would haye duck wlad it makes no sense?? biggest pay day in career, with rematch clauses.

Why are some people so up for wlad chagaev when its ovbious to the whole world that wlad will win?????? I reckon this will go down as one of the most boring matches in the history of WORLD SPORT not just boxing.

[Sir Tom Jones]

i hope i am proved wrong but the heavyweight division has returned to its stale state.

[Dave Rado]

Haye put the offer on the table of 3 weeks later and wlad didnt take it?? Why are people saying haye is ducking wlad?? Why would haye duck wlad it makes no sense?? biggest pay day in career, with rematch clauses.

No one is ducking. And considering the three weeks has already turned into five weeks, Boente's distrust of the "guarantee" that he could be fit by July 11 turned out to be more than justified.

Why are some people so up for wlad chagaev

It's for the lineal / Ring Heavyweight title, so we'll have the first undisputed Heavyweight champion since Lennox Lewis.

when its ovbious to the whole world that wlad will win??????

Most people who are not die-hard Haye fans give Chagaev a much better chance than they gave Haye. Chagaev is ranked #3 and Haye is ranked #9 by The Ring for a reason. Wlad is the strong favourite against both, but Chagaev does have an outside chance.

[Vivid Intent]

Yeah, stick to your revisionism until it fits your opinion.


Oh, for a moment I thought you have some real counter-facts. Instead you merely repeat

• "Everybody knows what a strong Shavers was" and
• "Who cares about career records? The reputation counts"

I don't care about the OPINION of anyone when the RECORD proves it WRONG.

Shaver's AVERAGE win-opponent is 14wins-17losses = bum
Shaver's AVERAGE loss-opponent is 40wins-8losses = decent.

IN OTHER WORDS: Shavers was a KOer/beater of BUMS and won less and less as soon as the opponents got better.

In his career he won only 7 times (6KOs) against somewhat decent 200+ opponents... and lost 7 times (3 KOs)

Tua by the same standards has 13-3 (with more KO wins and less KO losses) = has a record approx. 10 times better than Shavers.

Lennox beating Tua is 10 times worth more than Ali eating Shavers.

Please don't reply to my post until you have some factual counter-arguments, that don't need to be supported by smilies.

That is a ridiculous post, even by your standards. Shavers wasn't a gifted fighter but he had a good career mainly because of his freakish power. You don't just go by KO% to judge power, other factors get taken into consideration aswell, and first hand opinions are very important. He's got first round knockouts over Ellis and Norton, stopped Young and Bugner within 3 rounds and had 23 first round knockouts. People like Ali, Holmes and Tex Cobb (among others) said they've never been hit as hard in their lives and they've been in with guys like Liston, Foreman, Tyson, Cooney, etc. It is debatable but most people's opinions within the sport that I've read think Shavers hit the hardest. In your opinion who was the hardest hitting HW then?

[illumin8ed66]

No one is ducking. And considering the three weeks has already turned into five weeks, Boente's distrust of the "guarantee" that he could be fit by July 11 turned out to be more than justified.

It's for the lineal / Ring Heavyweight title, so we'll have the first undisputed Heavyweight champion since Lennox Lewis.

Most people who are not die-hard Haye fans give Chagaev a much better chance than they gave Haye. Chagaev is ranked #3 and Haye is ranked #9 by The Ring for a reason. Wlad is the strong favourite against both, but Chagaev does have an outside chance.

Remember, the Ring title does not always equal undisputed champion. You can call the winner of this fight the Ring champ, but he wouldn't really be undisputed until winning the WBC title, as well. At that point the Ring title would become the most desirable title, and then it would be fine to relinquish one or more of the alphabet belts, if necessary, in order to avoid having to make ridiculous defenses against unworthy challengers. The Ring title, though, would hold its value as the true, lineal championship.

[Drunken Cat]

Yeah, stick to your revisionism until it fits your opinion.


Oh, for a moment I thought you have some real counter-facts. Instead you merely repeat

• "Everybody knows what a strong Shavers was" and
• "Who cares about career records? The reputation counts"

I don't care about the OPINION of anyone when the RECORD proves it WRONG.

Shaver's AVERAGE win-opponent is 14wins-17losses = bum
Shaver's AVERAGE loss-opponent is 40wins-8losses = decent.

IN OTHER WORDS: Shavers was a KOer/beater of BUMS and won less and less as soon as the opponents got better.

In his career he won only 7 times (6KOs) against somewhat decent 200+ opponents... and lost 7 times (3 KOs)

Tua by the same standards has 13-3 (with more KO wins and less KO losses) = has a record approx. 10 times better than Shavers.

Lennox beating Tua is 10 times worth more than Ali eating Shavers.

Please don't reply to my post until you have some factual counter-arguments, that don't need to be supported by smilies.

I just had to pause to point out the dis-logic here. Unless it was a typo...

[Drunken Cat]

Also, we could seriously do without all the nutthuggery here. Wladimer is not a ***** for taking on the heavyweight rated third in the world, behind Waldimer and his brother, on 2-weeks notice. Haye is not a ***** for getting injured while preparing for a fight, injuries are a part of sport, and this is clearly a major setback for Haye and a tremendous opportunity which has gone up in smoke. It's also bad for the promoters, networks, venues, airlines, etc. etc. etc.

So basically, this is simply an unfortunate occurance, and those involved with the promotion are simply trying to make the best out of a bad situation. If anything, Wladimer deserves tremendous props for taking on such a dangerous opponent on such short notice simply to save a date, and the man he's fighting is a southpaw no less (see Klitschko-Sanders).

I've never considered myself a Wladimer Klitschko fan, but people should not be so bias as to become irrational.