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  • JohnCastellanos
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    Proof that under zero circumstances did Martinez duck ggg. Nopal smoke session

    You ppl need to stop saying Martinez ducked ggg! Here’s proof that ggg and Tom Loefflor and the ggg militia are lying.
    Martinez won the WBC by beating Kelly Pavlick on 04/2010 and 4 months later ggg was barely even fighting for the vacant interim WBA title. FFwd to 09/2012 a fight that many of us credit Sergio Martinez last good performance that actually ruined him vs Chavez JR at that same time GGG was barely fighting for the Vacant WBA Regular which we all consider a fake belt. Ok now ffwd to 06/2014 which was the fight Martinez basically was already shot and basically sold the torch to Cotto. What was Golovkin doing then? He was still the Vacant Regular WBA fake champ and it was only a month later that he beat Geale to be elavated to Vacant WBA super champ on 07/2014. My argument is this: under what circumstance can Golovkin a vacant regular fake wba champ claim Sergio a full fledged lineal and WBC champion Champion ducked him? How hard is it to understand that fighters in those positions with those fake belts aren’t taken seriously. Not to mention the fact that Martinez didn’t even take Rubio his mandatory wbc silver champ serious enough to fight him and why would he fight a fake champ of the other governing body before the fake champ in his own governing body? And let me just remind some of you that you need to get your time line in order and stop claiming that ggg was owed a shot at Martinez because he was his mandatory, this not so because Rubio was actually Martinez’s mandatory and Golovkin didn’t beat Rubio till 6 months after Martinez had already been retired by the loss to Cotto. I’m not really sure what other angle you ggg defenders will come up with but if I was a betting man you’ll probably say: GGG offered to fight Martinez and they declined and that’s considered a duck even for a 39 year old Martinez. But even for that ****** claim to have any legitimacy ggg would have to have never ducked any challenge or offer so that’s all! Thoughts my neary’s?
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    Also When Sergio was stripped of the WBO this what he said "I learned a while ago that these organizations don't give you a belt," Martinez said. "They loan it to you. When they elect to take it back, they take it back. I thank them for the opportunity to win it and to hold it, but there is nothing I can do about it if they want to take it back. They can match whoever they want below me [for the vacant belt], but in my view, that winner can't truly call himself a champion.". With this statement you can clearly see he had zero respect for Vacant champs like Golovkin.
    Last edited by JohnCastellanos; 05-13-2020, 12:06 PM.

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    • Real King Kong
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      • Smash
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        yur are right ggg ducked martinez

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        • Citizen Koba
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          Hell is a 'duck' anyway? I mean - who decides?


          Anyway, I got a few basic rules which I roll out but basically unless it's a mando and you ain't got a finacially better option it ain't a duck to me.

          Golovkin was never mandatory to Sergio and Maravilla always had better financial options - in fact the WBC had been lining up the Cotto fight since 2013 with the longer goal of matching the winner against Canelo. Under the circumstances Sergio would have had to have been an absolute fool to fight Golovkin knowing that it might derail the Cotto payday.

          Lou put it rather nicely I think:

          "Who would give a flying ****, and why are you even asking? Who knows Gennady Golovkin other than you, me and a few other people? How many people would he bring to the table? How much money would he generate? ... He is a very good fighter, but it's a fight that economically makes no sense."
          Which was of course GGGs problem for a good chunk of his career. Guys ain't scared but they do want to be rewarded, and big names naturally expect to be paid according to their status. Dangerous guys who bring little name recognition and less money are rarely at the front of the queue when a recognised star is coming to the end of the road.

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          • JohnCastellanos
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            Originally posted by Citizen Koba
            Hell is a 'duck' anyway? I mean - who decides?


            Anyway, I got a few basic rules which I roll out but basically unless it's a mando and you ain't got a finacially better option it ain't a duck to me.

            Golovkin was never mandatory to Sergio and Maravilla always had better financial options - in fact the WBC had been lining up the Cotto fight since 2013 with the longer goal of matching the winner against Canelo. Under the circumstances Sergio would have had to have been an absolute fool to fight Golovkin knowing that it might derail the Cotto payday.

            Lou put it rather nicely I think:



            Which was of course GGGs problem for a good chunk of his career. Guys ain't scared but they do want to be rewarded, and big names naturally expect to be paid according to their status. Dangerous guys who bring little name recognition and less money are rarely at the front of the queue when a recognised star is coming to the end of the road.
            Absolutely and I like to remind ppl about how shrewd Golovkins team was at negotiating by bringing up the fact that they paid Vanes 250k, seems a bit low to headline on a Mexican holiday at a sold out venue vs Golovkin in between Golovkin 2 biggest paydays of his entire career. I mean the guy probably paid guys like Geale like what 90k?

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              Originally posted by Citizen Koba
              Hell is a 'duck' anyway? I mean - who decides?


              Anyway, I got a few basic rules which I roll out but basically unless it's a mando and you ain't got a finacially better option it ain't a duck to me.

              Golovkin was never mandatory to Sergio and Maravilla always had better financial options - in fact the WBC had been lining up the Cotto fight since 2013 with the longer goal of matching the winner against Canelo. Under the circumstances Sergio would have had to have been an absolute fool to fight Golovkin knowing that it might derail the Cotto payday.

              Lou put it rather nicely I think:



              Which was of course GGGs problem for a good chunk of his career. Guys ain't scared but they do want to be rewarded, and big names naturally expect to be paid according to their status. Dangerous guys who bring little name recognition and less money are rarely at the front of the queue when a recognised star is coming to the end of the road.
              OP can't admit he hates GGG but let's him live rent free in his head.

              I wonder how many threads hell start today about GGG?

              No one took a risk on GGG because the risk FAR outweighed the reward which fits the correct narrative that no one wanted GGG from 2012-2016. Anyone who was a champion or contender lost with ease.

              Look at the champions of 2012

              WBC Sergio
              IBF/WBA Gaele
              WBO Hassan/Quillin

              Triangle theory doesnt always work but GGG himself KOed 2 of those guys. Cotto took out Sergio and Jacob's KOed Quillin.

              GGG would have a very good chance against Sergio and that wasnt a risk Sergio wanted or was going to take.

              GGG did better in common opposition getting rid of them faster and with greater ease.

              Martinez got KD against lesser opposition and against guys with less power than GGG.

              Now is it a duck? Does it quack?

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                Originally posted by JohnCastellanos
                Also When Sergio was stripped of the WBO this what he said "I learned a while ago that these organizations don't give you a belt," Martinez said. "They loan it to you. When they elect to take it back, they take it back. I thank them for the opportunity to win it and to hold it, but there is nothing I can do about it if they want to take it back. They can match whoever they want below me [for the vacant belt], but in my view, that winner can't truly call himself a champion.". With this statement you can clearly see he had zero respect for Vacant champs like Golovkin.
                Maravilla was extremely hard done to by the sanction orgs. He wasn't the dude they wanted, wasn't with a big promotion, didn't have a huge fanbase and was already the wrong side of 35.

                ...However, if you're a fan of Mexican fighters you might want to consider the primary beneficiary of the WBC stripping Sergio at 160 back in 2011 or so was Chavez Jr.... just sayin. The WBC blamed it on HBO but you wouldn't have to try hard to convince me it was more than a coincidence Sergios belt ended up round a Mexican waist. Furthermore of course Canelo himself fought a career Welter for the 154 belt that came from Sergio via Pacquaio. That's a strap that'd been stripped and then vacated, man, or possibly even stripped twice depending on how you take the Pacquiao thing. What you reckon Sergio would have said about that?




                Maravilla's WBO belt of course had been earmarked by Varcarcel for rising Haymon star Danny Jacobs but the applecart was upset by an unheralded Russian by the name of Dmitry Pirog.
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                • creekrat77
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                  When Sergio was active he stated on the record Golovkin was "off the charts" skill wise and then elected to face Murray and Cotto.

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                  • JohnCastellanos
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by R-Hand Southpaw
                    OP can't admit he hates GGG but let's him live rent free in his head.

                    I wonder how many threads hell start today about GGG?

                    No one took a risk on GGG because the risk FAR outweighed the reward which fits the correct narrative that no one wanted GGG from 2012-2016. Anyone who was a champion or contender lost with ease.

                    Look at the champions of 2012

                    WBC Sergio
                    IBF/WBA Gaele
                    WBO Hassan/Quillin

                    Triangle theory doesnt always work but GGG himself KOed 2 of those guys. Cotto took out Sergio and Jacob's KOed Quillin.

                    GGG would have a very good chance against Sergio and that wasnt a risk Sergio wanted or was going to take.

                    GGG did better in common opposition getting rid of them faster and with greater ease.

                    Martinez got KD against lesser opposition and against guys with less power than GGG.

                    Now is it a duck? Does it quack?
                    The only quacking is you? You didn’t acknowledge any of my facts neither did your present a alternate angle or an argument to dispute any of my facts. In 2012 Sergio Martinez had his own situation to worry about with the WBC and was gonna make his biggest payday @ 37 years old vs Chavez JR the official WBC champ at 160. Do you think he was paying attention to a guy who wasn’t even the vacant wba regular fake champion yet? This is just too easy, Golovkin was still vacuuming the wba for vacant opportunities and he wanted nothing to do with Sergio Martinez

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