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Originally posted by Redgloveman View PostWith the numerous offers that have come to Wilder from AJ it's pretty god damned clear that AJ wants the fight. That's just being objective.
If AJ wants the fight, he needs to put together a proper offer to Wilder, that ONLY involves fighting Wilder. Not some vague myth of a deal that involves pre-fights with other bums, changing networks, change of promoter etc...
Its that simple. If AJ really wants the fight, the money is there to make it next. So lets see what happens next.
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When Wilder wanted to fight Joshua, Joshua didn't want to fight him. He was forced to fight Tyson Fury instead. Now it seems like Wilder isn't interested in challenging him at all.
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Originally posted by davefromvancouv View PostRejecting the $100 3-fight DAZN offer has nothing to do with Wilder not wanting to fight Joshua. It's simple math. A percentage is better than a flat fee guarantee. If the Joshua fight makes $150 million and Wilder is locked in at $40 million, where does the other $110 million go? How much of a percentage is $40 million in the rematch if Wilder wins the first fight...
That's why you work with percentages and not flat fee guarantees. That's why the $50 million against 50% Sky offer to Joshua was such a great offer and spoke volumes about Joshua's true desire to fight Wilder when it was shockingly refused.
No need for a 3 fight deal with DAZN or a 5 fight deal with ESPN. Just a 2 fight deal against Joshua on DAZN or a 2 fight deal against Fury on ESPN with fair PERCENTAGES for each fight. And it doesn't have to be negotiated until after the WBC mandatory. That way, Wilder gets fair compensation for generating a $100 million fight or a $200 million fight.
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Originally posted by Jkp View PostNot really. The previous offers proved it was very clear AJ didnt want the fight.
If AJ wants the fight, he needs to put together a proper offer to Wilder, that ONLY involves fighting Wilder. Not some vague myth of a deal that involves pre-fights with other bums, changing networks, change of promoter etc...
Its that simple. If AJ really wants the fight, the money is there to make it next. So lets see what happens next.
You realise that when AJ was looking for a fight before Miller, and the Wilder/Fury fight wasn't done, that AJ offered Wilder 40% to fight in the US don't you? And Wilder didn't even pick up the phone.
This is not the only offer to come from AJ. And it's not the first time Wilder has disappeared and gone radio silent. There were no other conditions. It was a 60/40 offer with a rematch and the highest bidder gets the fight.
Why is there always an excuse?
Shirley just admitted his intention is to marinate the fight. Wilder will not take the fight under any circumstances because he knows he gets splattered.
If Finkel had put him in against Martin and Klitschko then Wilder would be getting regular $30m paydays by now (if Wilder had won).
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Originally posted by Redgloveman View PostSo what if I throw shade at Joshua, who the fk even cares? You Wilder fans are so obsessed with AJ it's borderline h0m0.
The initial point which you made was:
"I don't think they're (Wilder and Fury) afraid of getting beat, or Fury wouldn't have fought Wlad on the road, and Wilder wouldn't have fought Luis Ortiz! Wilder has fought Fury and Ortiz! That's not fear!"
I pointed out that Fury was hardly a scary proposition when the fight was made. He got taken the distance and took shots against a guy ranked outside the top 50, in his previous fight he was literally laughing in the ring to the point that the referee had to tell him to fight. Both fights he got booed. Let that sink in.
It's a pretty basic point, but you're so obsessed with Joshua that you just had to bring him up.
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Originally posted by davefromvancouv View PostDAZN has to match the percentage of what Wilder could make if the Joshua fight was on Showtime PPV.
And the rematch...
$100 million for 3 fights is too low. Double it and you're getting warmer...
Though now you're pulling some magical figure from thin air. $200 million for 1 fight with Dominic Breazeale (which can only really be worth $15 million at max) and 2 fights with Joshua. So you're basically saying they should offer Wilder close to $100 million per fight with Joshua to equate a 50/50 split... so Joshua v Wilder does $200 million per fight on Showtime?
I would love whatever you've been smoking.
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I have been stating this for a very long time in most of my posts on the subject.
Infact? Tyson Fury does not want neither of Wilder or Joshua.
Tyson Fury had two fights, and was training for 1 years before he fought Deontay Wilder also 'Kind of bewildered as to why people seem to think it was one of the greatest comebacks in boxing history'. He did not win the fight conclusively, was decked twice and backed up all night by a 212 pound Deontay Wilder.
Even still the top 3 will eventually meet, and? I am kind of enjoying all moves these guys have been making such as: Joshua coming to america, Fury's ESPN deal, and Wilder just being stubborn 'It actually gives the opportunity for some unlikely overlooked fights to happen!'...
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Originally posted by EnglishOxide View PostYou realise that when AJ was looking for a fight before Miller, and the Wilder/Fury fight wasn't done, that AJ offered Wilder 40% to fight in the US don't you? And Wilder didn't even pick up the phone.
This is not the only offer to come from AJ. And it's not the first time Wilder has disappeared and gone radio silent. There were no other conditions. It was a 60/40 offer with a rematch and the highest bidder gets the fight.
Why is there always an excuse?
Shirley just admitted his intention is to marinate the fight. Wilder will not take the fight under any circumstances because he knows he gets splattered.
If Finkel had put him in against Martin and Klitschko then Wilder would be getting regular $30m paydays by now (if Wilder had won).
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