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Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View PostHe even admits it himself, since he won the super six! His mentality had changed, and even his motivation. Listen, if Andre Ward was in this game for greatness he would not be retired! (He should of challenged Adonis Stevenson, and then took a major risk and ventured into ether the cruiser or Heavyweight-weight divisions).
I don't agree with anything you said there
listen, this is what I would have told you following Ward's last fight.....
FACT: Ward fights at the TOP level, period..... he always has, and he always will..... until he can do it no longer, at which point he will retire
well guess what, that just happened
until that point, there is nobody better than Kovalev..... Ward fought/beat the best
jesus dude, you had better not be a Golovkin fan
you fkn are, aren't you ?
you had better not be a Golovkin fan, here talking about resumes (LOL) and about desire/motivation to fight the best (bigger LOL)
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yeah wards made history alright, carved himself a niche as boxings most unwatchable fighter of all time.
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Originally posted by aboutfkntime View PostI don't agree with anything you said there
listen, this is what I would have told you following Ward's last fight.....
FACT: Ward fights at the TOP level, period..... he always has, and he always will..... until he can do it no longer, at which point he will retire
well guess what, that just happened
until that point, there is nobody better than Kovalev..... Ward fought/beat the best
jesus dude, you had better not be a Golovkin fan
you fkn are, aren't you ?
you had better not be a Golovkin fan, here talking about resumes (LOL) and about desire/motivation to fight the best (bigger LOL)
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Originally posted by Mike_R View PostI think Ward could be indisputably higher up on the consensus all-time-great list with just a couple more fights to finish clearing out the current LHW picture.
But as a gold medalist with an unblemished professional record, he will always be brought up in conversation.
I kinda agree, I would have liked to see him fight Stevenson..... and I would back him to win that fight
but Ward - and any other fighter, period - should not take a fight like that unless they are 100% on top of their game
you don't want to get it wrong with Stevenson, even a couple of millimetres wrong
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Define 'near the top'. Yes he was a very good fighter who is sure to be in the HOF. But he's not in the pantheon that Mayweather and Pacquiao are in.
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Originally posted by SugarRaRobinson View Posthttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...ine-shame.html
Who's to say he didn't get away with his dirty habit while fighting ? Furthermore cocain is a Super Stimulate which leads to ungodly stamina. Lawrence Taylor is a prime example of what cocain does for athletes as it made him a God among mortals on the football field.
aah ok, wasn't aware of that
look, maybe he did..... but he is known for legendary roadwork sessions
thats the problem with getting caught, the question mark is always there
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Originally posted by BrometheusBob. View PostDefine 'near the top'. Yes he was a very good fighter who is sure to be in the HOF. But he's not in the pantheon that Mayweather and Pacquiao are in.
Pacquiao is not on Mayweathers level historically/technically
Mayweather fought a higher level of competition, and he remained unbeaten
he did not go life and death with guys like Marquez 4 times
being undefeated is NOT a sign of greatness..... but being undefeated after fighting the level of competition that he faced over a 20-year stretch..... you had better believe that counts
all 4 of those guys are great fighters..... Pac May Marquez Ward..... but Pac could never separate himself from Marquez
none of those guys quite reached Mayweather's level
Pac will definitely rank higher than Ward..... but in terms of ability (being able to live with any fighter in your weight class throughout history) Ward is right up there, no question.....
that is what Jones meant
the fighters know
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what does "near the top" mean? top 10 all time? ward was on top of boxing after beatin dawson then falls off the map. now he finally receives widespread recognition as the pound for pound best and his immediate next move is retirement. the timing of these decisions hurts his legacy. one step away from undisputed and walks away.. wtf
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