Charles Manson's Son says My dad wasn't a mass murdering dog

[Mooshashi]

Charles Manson was not the 'mass-murdering dog' he was portrayed to be, says the killer's 51-year-old son who has spoken out for the first time in 26 years.
In an extraordinary interview, where he revealed what is was like growing up as the son of America's most notorious cult leader, Michael Brunner defended his father and said Manson was 'not the monster that has been described by the mass media.'
'I would say 95% of the public looks at Charlie as this mass-murdering dog, and it's really, obviously, just not true,' Brunner told The LA Times. 'He didn't necessarily kill.'


Brunner, who was born Valentine Michael Manson, aka Sunstone Hawk or Pooh Bear, was raised by his maternal grandparents who adopted him and changed his name before his ninth birthday.
Despite rebuffing repeated attempts by his father to get in touch before Manson's death in 2017, Brunner, who refers to his father throughout the interview as 'Charlie', claims the crimes his father was convicted of were a false narrative made up after the fact.

'I think the public has been fed some untruths, and this whole thing has been glorified and glammified and blown out of proportion,' Brunner said.
'I mean, do we believe in brainwashed zombies out killing people?

'...Did he [Manson] order these crimes? I don't believe that he did. I believe that it was something manufactured after the fact. This 'Helter Skelter' thing, when you look into it deeply, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.'

Manson was jailed for life for his plot to incite a race war by ordering the brutal murders of nine people, including pregnant actress Sharon Tate, which would be blamed on the Black Panthers, causing civil unrest.

[Mooshashi]

His loyal followers committed the slayings at four locations across California. The desecrated bodies were discovered by police leading to one of the most high profile murder trials in history.
Part of his motive was said to be a hidden message in the Beatles' song Helter Skelter, from their 1968 White Album, which he believed predicted a race war.
By the time Manson and his 'family' had been sentenced to death, young Brunner was living with his grandparents in Eau Claire, Wisconsin.
They 'gave me what I needed to survive and thrive, and pushed me through school and pushed me through sports and made sure that I was doing the right thing,' Brunner said.
When his adoption became official in 1976, his grandparents, who he referred to as 'mom and dad', threw him a party and all the neighbors who came brought gifts.
It was like having an 'extra birthday,' he said. 'I think they wanted to get rid of the Manson name because of school and to make me a little more normal,' he said.
'You know, so I wasn't being pestered or bullied or that sort of thing, which didn't happen much.'

[Mooshashi]

Describing his attempts to find out more about his father, he said his grandparents were reluctant to reveal the grisly details. It was only when someone passed him a note in class telling him his father was a murderer that he realised the extent of the man's crimes.
A high school friend who was 'kind of a fanatic into anything cultish or, you know, off the wall filled me in on a lot of things. But, again, she was reading the same narrative that everybody else was at the time,' Brunner said.
He said that he tried to ignore the harrowing account of his father's crimes, despite knowing people who were obsessed with Manson, but added: 'It doesn’t matter how deep you bury your head, you’re going to hear about Charles Manson.'
This summer marks 50 years since Sharon Tate was killed in one of the most infamous killings of the 20th Century.
The 26-year-old wife of director Roman Polanski had been eight-and-a-half months pregnant when she was killed at their Beverly Hills home.
The following night the Manson Family butchered small business owners Leno and Rosemary La Bianca, in their home in Los Angeles.
Manson, Tex Watson, Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten were all convicted for the murders and initially sentenced to death for the killings. It was later commuted to life in prison.

[billeau2]

Describing his attempts to find out more about his father, he said his grandparents were reluctant to reveal the grisly details. It was only when someone passed him a note in class telling him his father was a murderer that he realised the extent of the man's crimes.
A high school friend who was 'kind of a fanatic into anything cultish or, you know, off the wall filled me in on a lot of things. But, again, she was reading the same narrative that everybody else was at the time,' Brunner said.
He said that he tried to ignore the harrowing account of his father's crimes, despite knowing people who were obsessed with Manson, but added: 'It doesn’t matter how deep you bury your head, you’re going to hear about Charles Manson.'
This summer marks 50 years since Sharon Tate was killed in one of the most infamous killings of the 20th Century.
The 26-year-old wife of director Roman Polanski had been eight-and-a-half months pregnant when she was killed at their Beverly Hills home.
The following night the Manson Family butchered small business owners Leno and Rosemary La Bianca, in their home in Los Angeles.
Manson, Tex Watson, Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten were all convicted for the murders and initially sentenced to death for the killings. It was later commuted to life in prison.

It is an interesting narrative. I tend to be willing to entertain ideas that most would automatically just poo poo. With Charlie some things do stand out. There were a lot of grifters who took advantage of very idealistic young people. On the west coast particularly were communes where people got along with each other, were decent to each other and even raised kids together as a group. Just like with any anarchy (absence of a centralized state authority) these groups were ruined. First off, by government agents infiltrating, but also by grifters like Charlie.

If one researches Laurel Canyon, they will figure out what probably happened with Manson: Many of the central figures in the music industry during the 60's were part of the government and murky organizations that held Satanic beliefs. Charlie was probably used by these groups. The killings by Manson had a ritual quality to them. Charlie was easy to control with flattery because of his ego. This was probably how he was used to set up these ritual killings.

The whole idea of a race war was put up later. Nobody who has done any research into the killings buys the notion that Manson killed tate and company because he thought black people would be blamed. If so why not set the scene more to that purpose? in fact the scene looked like a ritual slaying and hollywood continues to have a lot of these types of deaths that are highly irregular.

[Eff Pandas]

Too much reading in this thread. But isn't he technically right? His dad ain't actually murder anyone as I recall it. He just ordered his minions to do it. So yea he ain't a murdering dog, but he needed to be locked the f#ck up regardless.

[billeau2]

Too much reading in this thread. But isn't he technically right? His dad ain't actually murder anyone as I recall it. He just ordered his minions to do it. So yea he ain't a murdering dog, but he needed to be locked the f#ck up regardless.

They used Charlie like a gun... The Beach Boys used to tell him how good he sounded, and that he was going to be a big star. The beach boys were part of Laurel Canyon perhaps the biggest community of disinformation agents ever to exist. Hollywood was already becoming a very evil place... No doubt charlie was told what to say and do. Told he would reap rewards for his help, would become a star.

[Eff Pandas]

They used Charlie like a gun... The Beach Boys used to tell him how good he sounded, and that he was going to be a big star. The beach boys were part of Laurel Canyon perhaps the biggest community of disinformation agents ever to exist. Hollywood was already becoming a very evil place... No doubt charlie was told what to say and do. Told he would reap rewards for his help, would become a star.

Are you implying the Beach Boys are mass murderers & were responsible for Shannon Tate & those other people's deaths?

I have not heard this theory before.

Is that what all that reading was about in this thread? Sh^t I might have to go read that now. I love out there conspiracy theories.

[billeau2]

Are you implying the Beach Boys are mass murderers & were responsible for Shannon Tate & those other people's deaths?

I have not heard this theory before.

Is that what all that reading was about in this thread? Sh^t I might have to go read that now. I love out there conspiracy theories.

No...

You should read up on Laurel Canyon to understand the actual theory, it is a little hard to explain. basically a good deal of the musical talent in the 60's if you read came from families with dubious backgrounds... for example /frank Zappa's father was a military intelligence officer, Jim Morrison's dad a high ranking guy in the same fields as well.

On and on it goes: the mama and papas etc... The whole community was a hotbed of spooks and a cabal of Satanist Hollywood groups with a lot of juice. The most noteworthy being the "process" a group that started in England with Alister Crowley' ideas and had a lot of tentacles, and did a lot of unmentionable things.

There is a considerable amount of these relationships if you read about it. With that being said, it is not necessarily so that the Beach Boys, or any handler involved was commanding Manson to do things. In a need to know setting one is often instructed to complete a task, with no understanding as to what the task is supposed to accomplish. So for example, the process might have been the ones who found a way for Charlie to get the people sliced and diced, the Beach Boys might simply have been told: "Make Charlie feel at home, befriend him."

Its worth a read, I have been plugging it to ShoulderRoll for a few years now. Just Google "Laurel Canyon." You will see plenty of information about it.

[VatoMulatto]

Manson didn't actually kill anyone himself. Instead, he ordered his devotees to commit the killings, and they obeyed with no questions asked. Manson was a psychopathic cult leader and one of the most twisted minds in American history. A very strange individual.

[Eff Pandas]

No...

You should read up on Laurel Canyon to understand the actual theory, it is a little hard to explain. basically a good deal of the musical talent in the 60's if you read came from families with dubious backgrounds... for example /frank Zappa's father was a military intelligence officer, Jim Morrison's dad a high ranking guy in the same fields as well.

On and on it goes: the mama and papas etc... The whole community was a hotbed of spooks and a cabal of Satanist Hollywood groups with a lot of juice. The most noteworthy being the "process" a group that started in England with Alister Crowley' ideas and had a lot of tentacles, and did a lot of unmentionable things.

There is a considerable amount of these relationships if you read about it. With that being said, it is not necessarily so that the Beach Boys, or any handler involved was commanding Manson to do things. In a need to know setting one is often instructed to complete a task, with no understanding as to what the task is supposed to accomplish. So for example, the process might have been the ones who found a way for Charlie to get the people sliced and diced, the Beach Boys might simply have been told: "Make Charlie feel at home, befriend him."

Its worth a read, I have been plugging it to ShoulderRoll for a few years now. Just Google "Laurel Canyon." You will see plenty of information about it.

Ahh okay I've heard that a lot of musical groups from the region had "spook" family & sh^t like that thing before.

I didn't know it had connections to the Manson thing too.