Official Canelo Alvarez PED & Fallout Master Thread

[Mexican_Puppet]

You keep saying more then Contador like that means he had a lot in his system. He didn't every test agency and drug expert says he have very little trace and unlike Contador he lives in a country that has meat contamination that's why his case is different and why contador was banned and numerous Mexican athletes or athletes who were in Mexico exposed to the meat werent. It's a major factor that you keep ignoring. Look what drug expert Memo had to say. Which is the same conclusion Victor Conte said this week that his traces were low and consistent with contaminated meat case studies.

https://www.am.com.mx/2018/03/07/gen...#ixzz59CFfL8SU

The contamination of Saul Alvarez was due to consume meat, said Angel Guillermo Heredia.

The physical trainer analyzed on his own the concentrations of clenbuterol that the "Canelo" threw in the voluntary tests carried out by the VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Association) on February 17 and 20 in Jalisco.

The result for the Guadalajara man was 0.6 to 0.8 nanograms per milliliter in the first, and 0.06 to 0.08 in the second.

"When doing a mathematical calculation, taking into account what is the half-life of clenbuterol, which is 36 hours, depends on the human being, the activity of the athlete or metabolism of the person, taking those factors, I made an exponential equation and I It gives me an accuracy of 99 percent that amount (of the 'Canelo') is according to consumption of contaminated meat.

"In my opinion, neutral, and as a scientist and with morals, as a professional, with all the experience I have, it is practically due to contamination, since the levels of 'Canelo' are too low, what happens is that there are many problems of clenbuterol in Mexico, "Heredia added.

"There are cases above 20 or 25, or up to 40 nanograms per milliliter, and they are clearly taking that substance as doping, and one point is that the tests were in Mexico, 'Canelo' ate that meat in Mexico."
If today I took a pill, the minimum dose of clenbuterol, which is 0.02 milligrams, means that when I take that pill I will have an amount of 20 ng / ml in the urine, and after 36 hours I will have 10 ng / ml, and after another 36 hours I will have 5 thousand.

Then, the "Canelo" had less than 1 ng / ml, and even lower 3 days later, so it goes according to what is metabolism of clenbuterol, it is nothing, and 'Canelo' for me is clean.

Great post right here

[Blond Beast]

All I know is I take 100mcg a day when I take it.

It’s no miracle drug. But it helps.

[siablo14]

Drug testing in boxing is a sham at this level. Canelo fails two tests and now all that is required is for the excuse police to step it up to high gear. Think about it! Why have testing if when you fail if it impact profits it's ignored! We're not talking a false positive we're talking two failed tests in a row that they are now trying to convince the public are the same as false positives. A false positive means the test was wrong and retesting support that. What we have here is two failed tests, period! If there is no penalty then just stop all this sham testing

He failed twice?

[PhillyshellDef]

He failed twice?

February 20th trace had its half-life depletion’s per day From from Feb 17th. That how WADA in the first place established meat contamination.

[TonyGe]

Great post right here

How could it be a great post?? It's ridiculous. Sure if Canelo was tested the week before and he was clean it makes sense. When was the last time he was tested?? Days, weeks, months, years ago. I don't know and it sounds like the author doesn't know or if he does left it out. I'm not saying Canelo is dirty but I am saying the powers that be are making excuses for him just in case.

[Jubei]

Did a little bit of research and gathered some actual information about the matter, (not corrupted Propaganda talk) including a recent internal WADA study on the matter, Links are all posted

Golovkin takes part in the Clean Boxing Program, Canelo does not
Golovkin takes part in the VADA Clean Boxing Program for many years now, that means year round 365 days a year he can and will be tested.



Canelo only takes part in VADA testing on a fight per fight basis. That means Canelo will only get tested for certain fights and testing usually starts 2-3 months before the actual fight, which is too late to be effective when fighters can cycle off their PEDs in time.

Canelo pulled out of VADA testing against Liam Smith in 2016:
https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-s...oncern--108188
Canelo agreed to do VADA Testing for the Liam Smith fight and suddenly pulled out of testing a couple weeks prior to the fight. Very suspicious.

Canelo tests positive for Clenbuterol twice
Here are Canelos two positive samples, first one 0.6-0.8ng:
Canelo failed two tests for Clenbuterol, first sample is from Februay 17th, second from February 20th. Clenbuterol is widely regarded as miracle drug, it's not just for weightcutting, it increases stamina, endurance and dramatically reduces fat and retains muscle mass, a Clenbuterol Cycle/Therapy before training camp gives you the full benefit of the PED for the whole training camp leading up to the fight.

Canelo fights on the same dates every year, does not do year round testing, which means he can have the same PED cycle every year. When testing only starts 8-10 weeks prior to the fight you can cycle off your PEDs in time and get the full benefit for your training camp. Did they start drugtesting earlier than expected? Was Canelo caught off guard?

Clenbuterol leaves your system completely after a couple days and cannot be detected anymore outside of a follicle hair test. Link: https://steroidly.com/clenbuterol-kick-in-time/

Canelo: Only vegetables and chicken in preparation of a fight
Was Canelo really eating a ton of badly contamined meat just before VADA knocked on his door or was he just caught off guard with his PED cycle? In late 2016 Canelo himself claimed in a GQ interview that he does not eat any red meat in preparation of a fight, basically just vegetable and chicken: GQ Link https://www.gq.com/story/canelo-alvarez-real-life-diet

Research Lab Study: Therapeutic dose of 40 micgrogram (medium dosis) Clenbuterol tablets for 4 days gives you pretty much the same amount of clenbuterol in your urine sample as Canelo had. (0.5-0.6ng) Link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4045696

*WADA says: Any amount of Clenbuterol is doping* and *'This is just the dopers adjusting or mis-adjusting to the testing'*

Some examples of banned athletes who all had much less Clenbuterol in their test samples than Canelo, all claimed contamined meat

- China's Fuyu Li: 50-100 picograms (banned)
- Italy's Alessandro Colò: 200 picograms (banned)
- Spain's Alberto Contador: 50 picograms (banned)
- Mexicos Canelo Alvarez: 600-800 picograms (???)

Link: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/66...ays-WADA.aspx#

Internal WADA Research Study, October 2017
And last but not least, a very extensive, recent internal research study by WADA from 2017. It had the following conclusion:
Distinction between meat and Spiropent® Clenbuterol tablets is not possible based on the enantiomeric composition, due to the reason that the ingested proportions of SClenbuterol are too close to the Spiropent® tablets. Which basically means, Canelo can not really be declared innocent, if they tell us it was the meat it is a lie because it cannot be proven. Canelo's only option is the follicle hair test.
Link: https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...sium_oct17.pdf

Will Canelo do the follicle hairtest or will they just sweep the failed tests under the rug and tell us the fairy tale that Canelo is innocent?

[TonyGe]

Did a little bit of research and gathered some actual information about the matter, (not corrupted Propaganda talk) including a recent internal WADA study on the matter, Links are all posted

Golovkin takes part in the Clean Boxing Program, Canelo does not
Golovkin takes part in the VADA Clean Boxing Program for many years now, that means year round 365 days a year he can and will be tested.



Canelo only takes part in VADA testing on a fight per fight basis. That means Canelo will only get tested for certain fights and testing usually starts 2-3 months before the actual fight, which is too late to be effective when fighters can cycle off their PEDs in time.

Canelo pulled out of VADA testing against Liam Smith in 2016:
https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-s...oncern--108188
Canelo agreed to do VADA Testing for the Liam Smith fight and suddenly pulled out of testing a couple weeks prior to the fight. Very suspicious.

Canelo tests positive for Clenbuterol twice
Here are Canelos two positive samples, first one 0.6-0.8ng:
Canelo failed two tests for Clenbuterol, first sample is from Februay 17th, second from February 20th. Clenbuterol is widely regarded as miracle drug, it's not just for weightcutting, it increases stamina, endurance and dramatically reduces fat and retains muscle mass, a Clenbuterol Cycle/Therapy before training camp gives you the full benefit of the PED for the whole training camp leading up to the fight.

Canelo fights on the same dates every year, does not do year round testing, which means he can have the same PED cycle every year. When testing only starts 8-10 weeks prior to the fight you can cycle off your PEDs in time and get the full benefit for your training camp. Did they start drugtesting earlier than expected? Was Canelo caught off guard?

Clenbuterol leaves your system completely after a couple days and cannot be detected anymore outside of a follicle hair test. Link: https://steroidly.com/clenbuterol-kick-in-time/

Canelo: Only vegetables and chicken in preparation of a fight
Was Canelo really eating a ton of badly contamined meat just before VADA knocked on his door or was he just caught off guard with his PED cycle? In late 2016 Canelo himself claimed in a GQ interview that he does not eat any red meat in preparation of a fight, basically just vegetable and chicken: GQ Link https://www.gq.com/story/canelo-alvarez-real-life-diet

Research Lab Study: Therapeutic dose of 40 micgrogram (medium dosis) Clenbuterol tablets for 4 days gives you pretty much the same amount of clenbuterol in your urine sample as Canelo had. (0.5-0.6ng) Link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4045696

*WADA says: Any amount of Clenbuterol is doping* and *'This is just the dopers adjusting or mis-adjusting to the testing'*

Some examples of banned athletes who all had much less Clenbuterol in their test samples than Canelo, all claimed contamined meat

- China's Fuyu Li: 50-100 picograms (banned)
- Italy's Alessandro Colò: 200 picograms (banned)
- Spain's Alberto Contador: 50 picograms (banned)
- Mexicos Canelo Alvarez: 600-800 picograms (???)

Link: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/66...ays-WADA.aspx#

Internal WADA Research Study, October 2017
And last but not least, a very extensive, recent internal research study by WADA from 2017. It had the following conclusion:
Distinction between meat and Spiropent® Clenbuterol tablets is not possible based on the enantiomeric composition, due to the reason that the ingested proportions of SClenbuterol are too close to the Spiropent® tablets. Which basically means, Canelo can not really be declared innocent, if they tell us it was the meat it is a lie because it cannot be proven. Canelo's only option is the follicle hair test.
Link: https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...sium_oct17.pdf

Will Canelo do the follicle hairtest or will they just sweep the failed tests under the rug and tell us the fairy tale that Canelo is innocent?

Really Canelo has no choice if they tell him to take the test. It's either comply or get banned. They won't ask.

[Clegg]

Did a little bit of research and gathered some actual information about the matter, (not corrupted Propaganda talk) including a recent internal WADA study on the matter, Links are all posted

Golovkin takes part in the Clean Boxing Program, Canelo does not
Golovkin takes part in the VADA Clean Boxing Program for many years now, that means year round 365 days a year he can and will be tested.



Canelo only takes part in VADA testing on a fight per fight basis. That means Canelo will only get tested for certain fights and testing usually starts 2-3 months before the actual fight, which is too late to be effective when fighters can cycle off their PEDs in time.

Canelo pulled out of VADA testing against Liam Smith in 2016:
https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-s...oncern--108188
Canelo agreed to do VADA Testing for the Liam Smith fight and suddenly pulled out of testing a couple weeks prior to the fight. Very suspicious.

Canelo tests positive for Clenbuterol twice
Here are Canelos two positive samples, first one 0.6-0.8ng:
Canelo failed two tests for Clenbuterol, first sample is from Februay 17th, second from February 20th. Clenbuterol is widely regarded as miracle drug, it's not just for weightcutting, it increases stamina, endurance and dramatically reduces fat and retains muscle mass, a Clenbuterol Cycle/Therapy before training camp gives you the full benefit of the PED for the whole training camp leading up to the fight.

Canelo fights on the same dates every year, does not do year round testing, which means he can have the same PED cycle every year. When testing only starts 8-10 weeks prior to the fight you can cycle off your PEDs in time and get the full benefit for your training camp. Did they start drugtesting earlier than expected? Was Canelo caught off guard?

Clenbuterol leaves your system completely after a couple days and cannot be detected anymore outside of a follicle hair test. Link: https://steroidly.com/clenbuterol-kick-in-time/

Canelo: Only vegetables and chicken in preparation of a fight
Was Canelo really eating a ton of badly contamined meat just before VADA knocked on his door or was he just caught off guard with his PED cycle? In late 2016 Canelo himself claimed in a GQ interview that he does not eat any red meat in preparation of a fight, basically just vegetable and chicken: GQ Link https://www.gq.com/story/canelo-alvarez-real-life-diet

Research Lab Study: Therapeutic dose of 40 micgrogram (medium dosis) Clenbuterol tablets for 4 days gives you pretty much the same amount of clenbuterol in your urine sample as Canelo had. (0.5-0.6ng) Link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4045696

*WADA says: Any amount of Clenbuterol is doping* and *'This is just the dopers adjusting or mis-adjusting to the testing'*

Some examples of banned athletes who all had much less Clenbuterol in their test samples than Canelo, all claimed contamined meat

- China's Fuyu Li: 50-100 picograms (banned)
- Italy's Alessandro Colò: 200 picograms (banned)
- Spain's Alberto Contador: 50 picograms (banned)
- Mexicos Canelo Alvarez: 600-800 picograms (???)

Link: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/66...ays-WADA.aspx#

Internal WADA Research Study, October 2017
And last but not least, a very extensive, recent internal research study by WADA from 2017. It had the following conclusion:
Distinction between meat and Spiropent® Clenbuterol tablets is not possible based on the enantiomeric composition, due to the reason that the ingested proportions of SClenbuterol are too close to the Spiropent® tablets. Which basically means, Canelo can not really be declared innocent, if they tell us it was the meat it is a lie because it cannot be proven. Canelo's only option is the follicle hair test.
Link: https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...sium_oct17.pdf

Will Canelo do the follicle hairtest or will they just sweep the failed tests under the rug and tell us the fairy tale that Canelo is innocent?

Yup. Another thing I'll throw in that Canelo-Chavez testing started late. We know this because when the fight was announced it was said drug testing was still being arranged. Gotta have that extra time to cycle off.

I don't want to go too far back because there is so much shady shit around Canelo to include but remember how he refused VADA for the Trout fight as well.

Golovkin should push for the hair follicle test if it'll tell us more, VADA should already be doing it for everyone if it can help catch people.

[Boksfan]

Did a little bit of research and gathered some actual information about the matter, (not corrupted Propaganda talk) including a recent internal WADA study on the matter, Links are all posted

Golovkin takes part in the Clean Boxing Program, Canelo does not
Golovkin takes part in the VADA Clean Boxing Program for many years now, that means year round 365 days a year he can and will be tested.



Canelo only takes part in VADA testing on a fight per fight basis. That means Canelo will only get tested for certain fights and testing usually starts 2-3 months before the actual fight, which is too late to be effective when fighters can cycle off their PEDs in time.

Canelo pulled out of VADA testing against Liam Smith in 2016:
https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-s...oncern--108188
Canelo agreed to do VADA Testing for the Liam Smith fight and suddenly pulled out of testing a couple weeks prior to the fight. Very suspicious.

Canelo tests positive for Clenbuterol twice
Here are Canelos two positive samples, first one 0.6-0.8ng:
Canelo failed two tests for Clenbuterol, first sample is from Februay 17th, second from February 20th. Clenbuterol is widely regarded as miracle drug, it's not just for weightcutting, it increases stamina, endurance and dramatically reduces fat and retains muscle mass, a Clenbuterol Cycle/Therapy before training camp gives you the full benefit of the PED for the whole training camp leading up to the fight.

Canelo fights on the same dates every year, does not do year round testing, which means he can have the same PED cycle every year. When testing only starts 8-10 weeks prior to the fight you can cycle off your PEDs in time and get the full benefit for your training camp. Did they start drugtesting earlier than expected? Was Canelo caught off guard?

Clenbuterol leaves your system completely after a couple days and cannot be detected anymore outside of a follicle hair test. Link: https://steroidly.com/clenbuterol-kick-in-time/

Canelo: Only vegetables and chicken in preparation of a fight
Was Canelo really eating a ton of badly contamined meat just before VADA knocked on his door or was he just caught off guard with his PED cycle? In late 2016 Canelo himself claimed in a GQ interview that he does not eat any red meat in preparation of a fight, basically just vegetable and chicken: GQ Link https://www.gq.com/story/canelo-alvarez-real-life-diet

Research Lab Study: Therapeutic dose of 40 micgrogram (medium dosis) Clenbuterol tablets for 4 days gives you pretty much the same amount of clenbuterol in your urine sample as Canelo had. (0.5-0.6ng) Link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4045696

*WADA says: Any amount of Clenbuterol is doping* and *'This is just the dopers adjusting or mis-adjusting to the testing'*

Some examples of banned athletes who all had much less Clenbuterol in their test samples than Canelo, all claimed contamined meat

- China's Fuyu Li: 50-100 picograms (banned)
- Italy's Alessandro Colò: 200 picograms (banned)
- Spain's Alberto Contador: 50 picograms (banned)
- Mexicos Canelo Alvarez: 600-800 picograms (???)

Link: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/66...ays-WADA.aspx#

Internal WADA Research Study, October 2017
And last but not least, a very extensive, recent internal research study by WADA from 2017. It had the following conclusion:
Distinction between meat and Spiropent® Clenbuterol tablets is not possible based on the enantiomeric composition, due to the reason that the ingested proportions of SClenbuterol are too close to the Spiropent® tablets. Which basically means, Canelo can not really be declared innocent, if they tell us it was the meat it is a lie because it cannot be proven. Canelo's only option is the follicle hair test.
Link: https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...sium_oct17.pdf

Will Canelo do the follicle hairtest or will they just sweep the failed tests under the rug and tell us the fairy tale that Canelo is innocent?

Good reading, now I start to think he should be suspended.

[bigjavi973]

Did a little bit of research and gathered some actual information about the matter, (not corrupted Propaganda talk) including a recent internal WADA study on the matter, Links are all posted

Golovkin takes part in the Clean Boxing Program, Canelo does not
Golovkin takes part in the VADA Clean Boxing Program for many years now, that means year round 365 days a year he can and will be tested.



Canelo only takes part in VADA testing on a fight per fight basis. That means Canelo will only get tested for certain fights and testing usually starts 2-3 months before the actual fight, which is too late to be effective when fighters can cycle off their PEDs in time.

Canelo pulled out of VADA testing against Liam Smith in 2016:
https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-s...oncern--108188
Canelo agreed to do VADA Testing for the Liam Smith fight and suddenly pulled out of testing a couple weeks prior to the fight. Very suspicious.

Canelo tests positive for Clenbuterol twice
Here are Canelos two positive samples, first one 0.6-0.8ng:
Canelo failed two tests for Clenbuterol, first sample is from Februay 17th, second from February 20th. Clenbuterol is widely regarded as miracle drug, it's not just for weightcutting, it increases stamina, endurance and dramatically reduces fat and retains muscle mass, a Clenbuterol Cycle/Therapy before training camp gives you the full benefit of the PED for the whole training camp leading up to the fight.

Canelo fights on the same dates every year, does not do year round testing, which means he can have the same PED cycle every year. When testing only starts 8-10 weeks prior to the fight you can cycle off your PEDs in time and get the full benefit for your training camp. Did they start drugtesting earlier than expected? Was Canelo caught off guard?

Clenbuterol leaves your system completely after a couple days and cannot be detected anymore outside of a follicle hair test. Link: https://steroidly.com/clenbuterol-kick-in-time/

Canelo: Only vegetables and chicken in preparation of a fight
Was Canelo really eating a ton of badly contamined meat just before VADA knocked on his door or was he just caught off guard with his PED cycle? In late 2016 Canelo himself claimed in a GQ interview that he does not eat any red meat in preparation of a fight, basically just vegetable and chicken: GQ Link https://www.gq.com/story/canelo-alvarez-real-life-diet

Research Lab Study: Therapeutic dose of 40 micgrogram (medium dosis) Clenbuterol tablets for 4 days gives you pretty much the same amount of clenbuterol in your urine sample as Canelo had. (0.5-0.6ng) Link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4045696

*WADA says: Any amount of Clenbuterol is doping* and *'This is just the dopers adjusting or mis-adjusting to the testing'*

Some examples of banned athletes who all had much less Clenbuterol in their test samples than Canelo, all claimed contamined meat

- China's Fuyu Li: 50-100 picograms (banned)
- Italy's Alessandro Colò: 200 picograms (banned)
- Spain's Alberto Contador: 50 picograms (banned)
- Mexicos Canelo Alvarez: 600-800 picograms (???)

Link: http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/66...ays-WADA.aspx#

Internal WADA Research Study, October 2017
And last but not least, a very extensive, recent internal research study by WADA from 2017. It had the following conclusion:
Distinction between meat and Spiropent® Clenbuterol tablets is not possible based on the enantiomeric composition, due to the reason that the ingested proportions of SClenbuterol are too close to the Spiropent® tablets. Which basically means, Canelo can not really be declared innocent, if they tell us it was the meat it is a lie because it cannot be proven. Canelo's only option is the follicle hair test.
Link: https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...sium_oct17.pdf

Will Canelo do the follicle hairtest or will they just sweep the failed tests under the rug and tell us the fairy tale that Canelo is innocent?

i agree here imo if you are top 10 you should be tested 365

but belt org should pay for this