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Originally posted by The Old LefHook View PostWhat was Charles' greatest accomplishment?
I am always an advocate of a what-could-of-been alternative-timeline where Charles is a 3-weight champion (something he was capable of achieving had it aligned right.)
Regardless of titles, he was the best at 3 different weight divisions during his career.
Originally posted by The Old LefHook View PostWas it losing closely to Marciano once and being KO'd next time?
Originally posted by The Old LefHook View PostOr was it consistently beating a much smaller Charley Burley and an aged Archie Moore?
Originally posted by The Old LefHook View PostMaybe it was outboxing a balding Joe Louis for the heavyweight title that Walcott knocked Ez cold to capture?.
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I think, I'll have to agree with Old LefHook on the renaissance part where Charles is concerned.
Not saying he wasn't a great fighter, but with the emergence of the internet and forums like this, his stock sure has skyrocketed! To a point where he (and it's not just here!) is seen as a lock for Top-10 (and possibly Top-5) when we're talking All-Time p4p. It wasn't always like this.
Back in the 60s, when I first started to take an interest in boxing, I don't recall him being in the mix, when p4p greats were being discussed. And when that "other" HOF, World Boxing Hall Of Fame, voted in their first 16 members back in 1980, Charles didn't make the cut. He finished way down in 35th place!
So, yes... there's no doubt, that he's seen in a different light today, compared to just a few decades ago.
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Originally posted by Bundana View PostNot saying he wasn't a great fighter, but with the emergence of the internet and forums like this, his stock sure has skyrocketed! To a point where he (and it's not just here!) is seen as a lock for Top-10 (and possibly Top-5) when we're talking All-Time p4p. It wasn't always like this.
In 1996, Charles came 11th in the top 50 fighters of the past 50 years.
In 2002, 13th in the top 80 fighters of the past 80 years.
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Originally posted by joeandthebums View PostUsing The Ring as an established point of general conscience;
In 1996, Charles came 11th in the top 50 fighters of the past 50 years.
In 2002, 13th in the top 80 fighters of the past 80 years.
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Originally posted by Bundana View PostDo we have any Ring p4p lists before 1996? It would be interesting to see, how they rated Charles back in the 60s or 70s.
Top 5 were;
Robinson
Louis
Armstrong
Ali
Benny Leonard
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Originally posted by joeandthebums View PostA poll in 1980 of 25 notable boxing writers/trainers/managers placed Charles at 28th.
Top 5 were;
Robinson
Louis
Armstrong
Ali
Benny Leonard
Then as the years went by, he did better and better - until he today seems to be in just about everybody's Top-10. And, as said earlier, many even think he belongs on a Top-5 list! How do we explain this?
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Originally posted by Bundana View PostSo in 1980 Charles failed to make the Top-25 both in this poll and the WBHOF voting!
Then as the years went by, he did better and better - until he today seems to be in just about everybody's Top-10. And, as said earlier, many even think he belongs on a Top-5 list! How do we explain this?
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