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99% are Men in the caravan. Where are those women?
About time even some Mexicans are fed up with that BS.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-caravan.html
Update Nov 14:
https://fox5sandiego.com/2018/11/13/...-border-fence/
Original Thread
Who the hell do those people think they are? They can just cross several countries through violence and just come in the USA skipping all the lines and getting in front of all the people waiting months or years to do the procedures legally?
https://apnews.com/d52af53fc55b49cdbd320df9a19ff626
99% are Men in the caravan. Where are those women?
About time even some Mexicans are fed up with that BS.
'Go home!': Residents in an upscale Tijuana neighborhood throw rocks at the migrant caravan and order them out of Mexico while US troops put MORE barbed wire up to stop hundreds arriving at the border from climbing the wall
- Migrants from Central America were told to 'go home' and had rocks thrown at them by residents in Tijuana as they reached the US-Mexican border after enduring harsh conditions on their long journey
- Police officers had to intervene to keep the peace as tensions escalated between residents and migrants
- Mexican Interior Minister Alfonso Navarrete said that job fairs would be held around the country from today to offer opportunities for Central Americans and said also there was work for Mexicans seeking jobs
- Separately US border patrol agents in Arizona detained more than 650 illegal immigrants but they are not believed to be associated with the large caravan of Central American migrants
Migrants travelling in a caravan from Central America were abused and had rocks thrown at them in a neighborhood in Tijuana as they reached the Mexican border.
A small group of residents in an upscale Tijuana neighborhood near the Mexican border confronted caravan migrants late on Wednesday, throwing stones and telling them to go back to their home countries.
'Get out of here,' around 20 people shouted at a camp of Hondurans near the border. 'We want you to return to your country. You are not welcome'.
Migrants shouted back and dozens of police officers had to create a blockade between them in a city known for welcoming both American tourists and thousands of immigrants every year.
A caravan of thousands of mostly Honduran migrants who are fleeing violence and poverty at home set off for the United States in mid-October, with the bulk of them still to arrive at the border. Other large bands of mostly Salvadorans have followed.
Trump has declared the caravans an invasion, and has sent some 5,800 troops to 'harden' the border, including with barbed wire.
With some exceptions, Mexico has welcomed the Central Americans, offering food and lodging in towns during their journey. The migrants said they were stunned by the hostile attitude in Tijuana.
One migrant said: 'We are not criminals. Why do (they) treat us like this if everywhere we have traveled in Mexico they treated us well?' migrants shouted back. 'Think about the children who are here, please'.
Mexican Interior Minister Alfonso Navarrete said that job fairs would be held around the country from today to lay out opportunities for Central Americans, reiterating earlier government offers of work.
This time though, he emphasized that there was also work for Mexicans seeking jobs.
At a news conference that included Juan Pablo Castanon, head of the CCE business lobby, Navarrete said the private sector had told the government there were enough jobs available for all the Central Americans who entered Mexico during October.
Since October 19, a total of 3,800 migrants had sought asylum in Mexico, Navarrete said, though some later dropped their applications and returned home.
As of now 2,600 asylum requests were being processed, the minister added.
Mexico's low-paying factories at times struggle to find workers, and the border area is suffering chronic labor shortages.
Tensions in Tijuana surfaced a few days ago when residents complained about a group of 80 or so LGBT migrants who broke away from the caravan.
They arrived in an upscale part of the Playas de Tijuana neighborhood, near where the stones were thrown.
A popular party town for US tourists, Tijuana has a history of absorbing visitors, including Chinese immigrants in the 19th century.
It has a large American population and some 3,000 Haitians settled in the city, just south of San Diego, in 2016 after failing to cross the US border.
But the arrival of hundreds of members of the caravans has stretched to the limit migrant shelters that were already overflowing with people.
While Tijuana's traditional generosity was also on display, with the government setting up a new shelter and citizens offering food and clothing, a harder attitude also emerged.
Tijuana's city government opened a shelter for 360 people of an estimated 810 that arrived this week, and officials warned there was little room to house more than 2,000 more who are expected to arrive this week.
Meanwhile, US border patrol agents in Arizona have been busy detaining more than 650 illegal immigrants in just two days this week.
Agents in the Yuma Sector said they detained 654 people – most reportedly being family units or unaccompanied minors from Guatemala - on Monday and Tuesday.
Officials said the groups of illegal immigrants are not believed to be associated with the large caravan of mostly Central American migrants that have prompted the military deployment, Fox News reported.
US Customs and Border Protection said Wednesday a group of 55 Central Americans waded across the Colorado River near Yuma and surrendered to agents after walking around vehicle barriers in the area.
Vinny Dulesky, the special operations supervisor for Yuma Sector public affairs, told Fox News on Thursday that the majority of groups came in through the east side of the port of entry and had cut through metal fences to gain entry.
Dulseky said they are predominantly seeing family units and unaccompanied minors attempting to enter the US and that the tactics of the illegal immigrants are changing.
'Instead of trying to avoid us, they are running to us, and claim asylum,” he said. “By doing that, it keeps them in the country longer'.
- Migrants from Central America were told to 'go home' and had rocks thrown at them by residents in Tijuana as they reached the US-Mexican border after enduring harsh conditions on their long journey
- Police officers had to intervene to keep the peace as tensions escalated between residents and migrants
- Mexican Interior Minister Alfonso Navarrete said that job fairs would be held around the country from today to offer opportunities for Central Americans and said also there was work for Mexicans seeking jobs
- Separately US border patrol agents in Arizona detained more than 650 illegal immigrants but they are not believed to be associated with the large caravan of Central American migrants
Migrants travelling in a caravan from Central America were abused and had rocks thrown at them in a neighborhood in Tijuana as they reached the Mexican border.
A small group of residents in an upscale Tijuana neighborhood near the Mexican border confronted caravan migrants late on Wednesday, throwing stones and telling them to go back to their home countries.
'Get out of here,' around 20 people shouted at a camp of Hondurans near the border. 'We want you to return to your country. You are not welcome'.
Migrants shouted back and dozens of police officers had to create a blockade between them in a city known for welcoming both American tourists and thousands of immigrants every year.
A caravan of thousands of mostly Honduran migrants who are fleeing violence and poverty at home set off for the United States in mid-October, with the bulk of them still to arrive at the border. Other large bands of mostly Salvadorans have followed.
Trump has declared the caravans an invasion, and has sent some 5,800 troops to 'harden' the border, including with barbed wire.
With some exceptions, Mexico has welcomed the Central Americans, offering food and lodging in towns during their journey. The migrants said they were stunned by the hostile attitude in Tijuana.
One migrant said: 'We are not criminals. Why do (they) treat us like this if everywhere we have traveled in Mexico they treated us well?' migrants shouted back. 'Think about the children who are here, please'.
Mexican Interior Minister Alfonso Navarrete said that job fairs would be held around the country from today to lay out opportunities for Central Americans, reiterating earlier government offers of work.
This time though, he emphasized that there was also work for Mexicans seeking jobs.
At a news conference that included Juan Pablo Castanon, head of the CCE business lobby, Navarrete said the private sector had told the government there were enough jobs available for all the Central Americans who entered Mexico during October.
Since October 19, a total of 3,800 migrants had sought asylum in Mexico, Navarrete said, though some later dropped their applications and returned home.
As of now 2,600 asylum requests were being processed, the minister added.
Mexico's low-paying factories at times struggle to find workers, and the border area is suffering chronic labor shortages.
Tensions in Tijuana surfaced a few days ago when residents complained about a group of 80 or so LGBT migrants who broke away from the caravan.
They arrived in an upscale part of the Playas de Tijuana neighborhood, near where the stones were thrown.
A popular party town for US tourists, Tijuana has a history of absorbing visitors, including Chinese immigrants in the 19th century.
It has a large American population and some 3,000 Haitians settled in the city, just south of San Diego, in 2016 after failing to cross the US border.
But the arrival of hundreds of members of the caravans has stretched to the limit migrant shelters that were already overflowing with people.
While Tijuana's traditional generosity was also on display, with the government setting up a new shelter and citizens offering food and clothing, a harder attitude also emerged.
Tijuana's city government opened a shelter for 360 people of an estimated 810 that arrived this week, and officials warned there was little room to house more than 2,000 more who are expected to arrive this week.
Meanwhile, US border patrol agents in Arizona have been busy detaining more than 650 illegal immigrants in just two days this week.
Agents in the Yuma Sector said they detained 654 people – most reportedly being family units or unaccompanied minors from Guatemala - on Monday and Tuesday.
Officials said the groups of illegal immigrants are not believed to be associated with the large caravan of mostly Central American migrants that have prompted the military deployment, Fox News reported.
US Customs and Border Protection said Wednesday a group of 55 Central Americans waded across the Colorado River near Yuma and surrendered to agents after walking around vehicle barriers in the area.
Vinny Dulesky, the special operations supervisor for Yuma Sector public affairs, told Fox News on Thursday that the majority of groups came in through the east side of the port of entry and had cut through metal fences to gain entry.
Dulseky said they are predominantly seeing family units and unaccompanied minors attempting to enter the US and that the tactics of the illegal immigrants are changing.
'Instead of trying to avoid us, they are running to us, and claim asylum,” he said. “By doing that, it keeps them in the country longer'.
Update Nov 14:
Video shows group climbing border fence
People on the Mexican side of the border could be seen climbing the fence near Friendship Park Tuesday afternoon after part of the Central American migrant caravan arrived in Tijuana.
Several people scaled the fence and sat on top of it. A few jumped or crawled to openings in the fence onto U.S. soil but quickly ran back as Border Patrol agents approached.
Several border agents were seen patrolling the area in trucks, 4-wheelers, a helicopter and on horses.
The U.S. Border Patrol sent a news release stating it believes some of the people at the fence are from the caravan that's been traveling through Mexico from Honduras.
One man who happened to be on the north side of border while visiting the area described being entertained by the gathering.
"I was very surprised how many people are here and how many different officials are here, it seems like there’s something going on it's not normal to have this many resources tied up all these vehicles saw armored car coming down the road it just seemed more than just an average day," said Greg Boldner.
Video from the San Diego Union-Tribune shows the perspective from the Mexico side of the fence:
People on the Mexican side of the border could be seen climbing the fence near Friendship Park Tuesday afternoon after part of the Central American migrant caravan arrived in Tijuana.
Several people scaled the fence and sat on top of it. A few jumped or crawled to openings in the fence onto U.S. soil but quickly ran back as Border Patrol agents approached.
Several border agents were seen patrolling the area in trucks, 4-wheelers, a helicopter and on horses.
The U.S. Border Patrol sent a news release stating it believes some of the people at the fence are from the caravan that's been traveling through Mexico from Honduras.
One man who happened to be on the north side of border while visiting the area described being entertained by the gathering.
"I was very surprised how many people are here and how many different officials are here, it seems like there’s something going on it's not normal to have this many resources tied up all these vehicles saw armored car coming down the road it just seemed more than just an average day," said Greg Boldner.
Video from the San Diego Union-Tribune shows the perspective from the Mexico side of the fence:
Original Thread
Who the hell do those people think they are? They can just cross several countries through violence and just come in the USA skipping all the lines and getting in front of all the people waiting months or years to do the procedures legally?
Caravan migrants break Guatemala border fence, rush Mexico
Migrants traveling in a mass caravan burst through a Guatemalan border fence and streamed by the thousands toward Mexican territory on Friday, defying Mexican authorities’ entreaties for an orderly crossing and U.S. President Donald Trump’s threats of retaliation.
On the Mexican side of a border bridge, they were met by a phalanx of police with riot shields. About 50 managed to push their way through before officers unleashed pepper spray and the rest retreated.
The gates were closed again, and police used a loudspeaker to address the masses, saying, “We need you to stop the aggression.”
Mexican federal police chief Manelich Castilla, speaking from the border town of Ciudad Hidalgo, told Foro TV that his forces achieved their main objective of preventing a violent breach by the 3,000-plus migrants. In a separate interview with Milenio television, he accused people not part of the caravan of attacking police with firecrackers and rocks.
“It will be under the conditions that have been said since the start,” Castilla said. “Orderly, with established procedures, never through violence or force as a group of people attempted.”
The chaos calmed somewhat as migrants formed lines in a mass of humanity stretching across the bridge. Some returned to the Guatemalan side to buy water and food.
But others, tired of waiting, jumped off the bridge into the Suchiate River. Migrants organized a rope brigade to ford its muddy waters, and some floated across on rafts operated by local residents who charged a dollar or two to make the crossing.
Cristian, a 34-year-old cell phone repairman from San Pedro Sula, said he left Honduras because gang members had demanded protection payments of $83 a month, a fifth of his income. It was already hard enough to support his four daughters on the $450 he makes, so he closed his small business instead.
Cristian, who declined to give his last name because the gangsters had threatened him, estimated that about 30 percent of the migrants want to apply for refugee status in Mexico, while the rest want to reach the United States.
“I want to get to the States to contribute to that country,” Cristian said, “to do any kind of work, picking up garbage.”
Two buses arrived to transport women, children and the elderly to be processed by Mexican immigration authorities. But the migrants refused to board, fearing they would simply be deported.
“Walk! Walk!” they chanted, insisting they be allowed to continue on foot.
Earlier in the day, thousands of migrants, some waving Honduran flags and carrying umbrellas to protect against the sun, arrived at the Guatemalan side of the river, noisily demanding they be allowed to cross.
“One way or another, we will pass,” they chanted, climbing atop U.S.-donated military jeeps parked at the scene. Young men tugged on the fence, finally tearing it down, prompting the huge crowd of men, women and children to rush past and over the bridge.
Edwin Santos of San Pedro Sula was one of the first to race by, clutching the hands of his father and wife.
“We are going to the United States!” he shouted. “Nobody is going to stop us!”
Acner Adolfo Rodriguez, 30, one of the last through, said he hoped to find work and a better life far from the widespread poverty and gang violence in Honduras, one of the world’s deadliest countries.
“May Trump’s heart be touched so he lets us through,” Rodriguez said.
The U.S. president has made it clear to Mexico that he is monitoring its response. On Thursday he threatened to close the U.S. border if Mexico didn’t stop the caravan. Later that day he tweeted a video of Mexican federal police deploying at the Guatemalan border and wrote: “Thank you Mexico, we look forward to working with you!”
Mexican officials said those with passports and valid visas — only a tiny minority of those trying to cross — would be let in immediately.
Migrants who want to apply for refuge in Mexico were welcome to do so, they said, but any who decide to cross illegally and are caught will be detained and deported.
U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo met Friday with President Enrique Pena Nieto and Foreign Relations Secretary Luis Videgaray in Mexico City, with the caravan high on the agenda.
At a news conference with Videgaray, Pompeo called illegal migration a “crisis” and emphasized “the importance of stopping this flow before it reaches the U.S. border,” while also acknowledging Mexico’s right to handle the crisis in a sovereign fashion.
“Mexico will make its decision,” Pompeo said. “Its leaders and its people will decide the best way to achieve what I believe are our shared objectives.”
At Mexico City’s airport before leaving, Pompeo said four Mexican federal police officers had been injured in the border standoff and expressed his sympathy.
On Thursday, Videgaray asked the U.N. for help processing what Mexico expects to be a large number of asylum requests.
But Jose Porfirio Orellana, a 47-year-old farmer from Yoro province in Honduras, said he has his sights set on the United States due to woeful economic conditions in his country.
“There is nothing there,” Orellana said.
Migrants have banded together to travel en masse regularly in recent years, but this caravan was unusual for its huge size, said Victor Clark Alfaro, a Latin American studies professor at San Diego State University. By comparison, a caravan in April that also attracted Trump’s ire numbered about 1,000.
“It grabs one’s attention that the number of people in these kinds of caravans is on the rise,” Clark Alfaro said. “It is migration of a different dimension.”
Elizabeth Oglesby, a professor at the University of Arizona’s Center for Latin America, said people join caravans like this because it’s a way to make the journey in a relatively safe manner and avoid having to pay thousands of dollars to smugglers. She disputed Pompeo’s claim that migration is a “crisis.”
“Yes, we are seeing some spikes in Central Americans crossing the border, but overall migration is at a 40-year low,” Oglesby said.
Speaking on the Televisa network, Videgaray did not seem concerned about Trump’s threat to close the U.S.-Mexico border, saying it had to be viewed in light of the hotly contested U.S. midterm elections, in which Trump has made border security a major campaign issue.
Videgaray noted that 1 million people transit the border legally every day, and about $1 million in commerce crosses every minute.
“Before taking decisions of that kind,” Videgaray said, “there would be many people in the United States ... who would consider the consequences.”
Migrants traveling in a mass caravan burst through a Guatemalan border fence and streamed by the thousands toward Mexican territory on Friday, defying Mexican authorities’ entreaties for an orderly crossing and U.S. President Donald Trump’s threats of retaliation.
On the Mexican side of a border bridge, they were met by a phalanx of police with riot shields. About 50 managed to push their way through before officers unleashed pepper spray and the rest retreated.
The gates were closed again, and police used a loudspeaker to address the masses, saying, “We need you to stop the aggression.”
Mexican federal police chief Manelich Castilla, speaking from the border town of Ciudad Hidalgo, told Foro TV that his forces achieved their main objective of preventing a violent breach by the 3,000-plus migrants. In a separate interview with Milenio television, he accused people not part of the caravan of attacking police with firecrackers and rocks.
“It will be under the conditions that have been said since the start,” Castilla said. “Orderly, with established procedures, never through violence or force as a group of people attempted.”
The chaos calmed somewhat as migrants formed lines in a mass of humanity stretching across the bridge. Some returned to the Guatemalan side to buy water and food.
But others, tired of waiting, jumped off the bridge into the Suchiate River. Migrants organized a rope brigade to ford its muddy waters, and some floated across on rafts operated by local residents who charged a dollar or two to make the crossing.
Cristian, a 34-year-old cell phone repairman from San Pedro Sula, said he left Honduras because gang members had demanded protection payments of $83 a month, a fifth of his income. It was already hard enough to support his four daughters on the $450 he makes, so he closed his small business instead.
Cristian, who declined to give his last name because the gangsters had threatened him, estimated that about 30 percent of the migrants want to apply for refugee status in Mexico, while the rest want to reach the United States.
“I want to get to the States to contribute to that country,” Cristian said, “to do any kind of work, picking up garbage.”
Two buses arrived to transport women, children and the elderly to be processed by Mexican immigration authorities. But the migrants refused to board, fearing they would simply be deported.
“Walk! Walk!” they chanted, insisting they be allowed to continue on foot.
Earlier in the day, thousands of migrants, some waving Honduran flags and carrying umbrellas to protect against the sun, arrived at the Guatemalan side of the river, noisily demanding they be allowed to cross.
“One way or another, we will pass,” they chanted, climbing atop U.S.-donated military jeeps parked at the scene. Young men tugged on the fence, finally tearing it down, prompting the huge crowd of men, women and children to rush past and over the bridge.
Edwin Santos of San Pedro Sula was one of the first to race by, clutching the hands of his father and wife.
“We are going to the United States!” he shouted. “Nobody is going to stop us!”
Acner Adolfo Rodriguez, 30, one of the last through, said he hoped to find work and a better life far from the widespread poverty and gang violence in Honduras, one of the world’s deadliest countries.
“May Trump’s heart be touched so he lets us through,” Rodriguez said.
The U.S. president has made it clear to Mexico that he is monitoring its response. On Thursday he threatened to close the U.S. border if Mexico didn’t stop the caravan. Later that day he tweeted a video of Mexican federal police deploying at the Guatemalan border and wrote: “Thank you Mexico, we look forward to working with you!”
Mexican officials said those with passports and valid visas — only a tiny minority of those trying to cross — would be let in immediately.
Migrants who want to apply for refuge in Mexico were welcome to do so, they said, but any who decide to cross illegally and are caught will be detained and deported.
U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo met Friday with President Enrique Pena Nieto and Foreign Relations Secretary Luis Videgaray in Mexico City, with the caravan high on the agenda.
At a news conference with Videgaray, Pompeo called illegal migration a “crisis” and emphasized “the importance of stopping this flow before it reaches the U.S. border,” while also acknowledging Mexico’s right to handle the crisis in a sovereign fashion.
“Mexico will make its decision,” Pompeo said. “Its leaders and its people will decide the best way to achieve what I believe are our shared objectives.”
At Mexico City’s airport before leaving, Pompeo said four Mexican federal police officers had been injured in the border standoff and expressed his sympathy.
On Thursday, Videgaray asked the U.N. for help processing what Mexico expects to be a large number of asylum requests.
But Jose Porfirio Orellana, a 47-year-old farmer from Yoro province in Honduras, said he has his sights set on the United States due to woeful economic conditions in his country.
“There is nothing there,” Orellana said.
Migrants have banded together to travel en masse regularly in recent years, but this caravan was unusual for its huge size, said Victor Clark Alfaro, a Latin American studies professor at San Diego State University. By comparison, a caravan in April that also attracted Trump’s ire numbered about 1,000.
“It grabs one’s attention that the number of people in these kinds of caravans is on the rise,” Clark Alfaro said. “It is migration of a different dimension.”
Elizabeth Oglesby, a professor at the University of Arizona’s Center for Latin America, said people join caravans like this because it’s a way to make the journey in a relatively safe manner and avoid having to pay thousands of dollars to smugglers. She disputed Pompeo’s claim that migration is a “crisis.”
“Yes, we are seeing some spikes in Central Americans crossing the border, but overall migration is at a 40-year low,” Oglesby said.
Speaking on the Televisa network, Videgaray did not seem concerned about Trump’s threat to close the U.S.-Mexico border, saying it had to be viewed in light of the hotly contested U.S. midterm elections, in which Trump has made border security a major campaign issue.
Videgaray noted that 1 million people transit the border legally every day, and about $1 million in commerce crosses every minute.
“Before taking decisions of that kind,” Videgaray said, “there would be many people in the United States ... who would consider the consequences.”
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