Manafort convicted on 8 counts; mistrial declared on 10 other charges

[BoxingTech718]

This is just the beginning now that Trumps guys are going to jail. T
That is when the ratting and snitching starts.
These guys are soft and not built for jail.
The prosecution will find a way to keep them in jail.
If Trump abuses the pardon, it could be bad for him.

[Ajvar]

Dude, you have some many of these fake patriots that don't want the truth because they are living in this 50's retro ignorance. It's amazing how facts aren't facts, and truth is not truth and they agree with it. Literally the twilight zone era. Also amazing how they complain about illegals dont' pay taxes yet this guy shouldn't be prosecuted for not paying his own taxes.

It is amazing until it gets awing, then it gets shocking and then it gets sad. Too sad to even counteract anyhow.
There are only 2 indefinite things: human's Stupidity and Universe, except I am not sure about Universe. einstein

[Vlad_]

Dude, you have some many of these fake patriots that don't want the truth because they are living in this 50's retro ignorance. It's amazing how facts aren't facts, and truth is not truth and they agree with it. Literally the twilight zone era. Also amazing how they complain about illegals dont' pay taxes yet this guy shouldn't be prosecuted for not paying his own taxes.

Are you serious, or sarcastic? Nobody said anything against punishing Manafort for not paying his taxes and not hiding revenues a decade or so ago.

THE QUESTION IS WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH TRUMP? ZERO. MANAFORT CAN GO TO JAIL FOR TAX FRAUD. HOW IS THIS RELATED TO TRUMP'S PRESIDENCY? HOW IS THIS RELATED TO RUSSIAN COLLUSION? THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE ARGUING.

In your case the point seems to have gone not only over your head, but over the moon.

[BoxingTech718]

He would have been convicted on every count but one conservative juror refused to consider the evidence.

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Are you serious, or sarcastic? Nobody said anything against punishing Manafort for not paying his taxes and not hiding revenues a decade or so ago.

THE QUESTION IS WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH TRUMP? ZERO. MANAFORT CAN GO TO JAIL FOR TAX FRAUD. HOW IS THIS RELATED TO TRUMP'S PRESIDENCY? HOW IS THIS RELATED TO RUSSIAN COLLUSION? THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE ARGUING.

In your case the point seems to have gone not only over your head, but over the moon.

You seriously want to ask me what this has to do with Trump? Seriously? Like for real? Why else would they be looking at Manafort beyond the point that he has a lengthy history as a political advisor, ties to outside governments and then came into the campaign for a federal level position candidate around the time this whole thing happened...is that spelled out enough for you? They followed the paper trail, a very shady and felonious paper trail. Of course they have to follow the money in a conspiracy investigation. If you can't make those connections on your own then please stick to newscasters shaping your opinions. For the record, during an investigation of this level EVERYONE associated with the candidate is subject to investigation. You don't fk with the federal government, sorry that people you like are now enduring it, but this is not new. Association puts you under a microscope for conspiracy, racketeering, and those types of cases.

[man down]

He would have been convicted on every count but one conservative juror refused to consider the evidence.

So because she didn't find guilt on all counts it's a issue? If she was so biased she would of found no guilt on any of the counts.

[Vlad_]

You seriously want to ask me what this has to do with Trump? Seriously? Like for real? Why else would they be looking at Manafort beyond the point that he has a lengthy history as a political advisor, ties to outside governments and then came into the campaign for a federal level position candidate around the time this whole thing happened...is that spelled out enough for you? They followed the paper trail, a very shady and felonious paper trail. Of course they have to follow the money in a conspiracy investigation. If you can't make those connections on your own then please stick to newscasters shaping your opinions. For the record, during an investigation of this level EVERYONE associated with the candidate is subject to investigation. You don't fk with the federal government, sorry that people you like are now enduring it, but this is not new. Association puts you under a microscope for conspiracy, racketeering, and those types of cases.

They looked and looked and looked and all they found was tax evasion and money laundering, completely unrelated to Trump, and all that from almost a decade ago. What is the Trump and Russia collusion relation here?

Over half of Mueller's charges were thrown out.

Manafort was guilty of tax and financial fraud from his dealings in Ukraine wayyyy before Trump.

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They looked and looked and looked and all they found was tax evasion and money laundering, completely unrelated to Trump, and all that from almost a decade ago. What is the Trump and Russia collusion relation here?

Over half of Mueller's charges were thrown out.

Manafort was guilty of tax and financial fraud from his dealings in Ukraine wayyyy before Trump.

No disrespect to you because after all you are actually asking questions but you might want to go and spend some time understanding how this level of a federal investigation works. When he committed his crimes is irrelevant because they were uncovered as part of a larger investigation and yes no collusion was discovered, only these crimes. Also your claim that half the charges were thrown out is false, it's a mistrial which means they can prosecute him for them again should they choose to. 9 out of 10 people on that jury found him guilty of every single charge, with a 100% agreement of 8 out of 18. That's pretty serious. Yes Manafort might not have anything to do with collusion but because he was part of the organization and compensate by that organization he is subject o being scrutinized, everyone on that campaign is subject to this. Right, left, center or so forth. This is happens to everyday people as well, some fudging you did on your taxes ten years ago can come back to bite you in the azz tomorrow. Seriously, take some time to understand what you are dealing with here because the media isn't going to explain it to you. The only reason I even have a basic grasp on this is because I enjoy crime history stuff and they've busted the hell out of a lot of gangsters throughout the past 100 years with this type of investigation process.

Also this is not grounds to end their investigation, I know a lot of people find that this is a waste of time but it's not. If he's innocent then it needs to be absolute, if he's guilty it should be absolute. The only way you reach that conclusion is to leave no stone unturned. If he's innocent that's great, if he's not that's fine but at least we have no questions left of either result.

[Vlad_]

No disrespect to you because after all you are actually asking questions but you might want to go and spend some time understanding how this level of a federal investigation works. When he committed his crimes is irrelevant because they were uncovered as part of a larger investigation and yes no collusion was discovered, only these crimes. Also your claim that half the charges were thrown out is false, it's a mistrial which means they can prosecute him for them again should they choose to. 9 out of 10 people on that jury found him guilty of every single charge, with a 100% agreement of 8 out of 18. That's pretty serious. Yes Manafort might not have anything to do with collusion but because he was part of the organization and compensate by that organization he is subject o being scrutinized, everyone on that campaign is subject to this. Right, left, center or so forth. This is happens to everyday people as well, some fudging you did on your taxes ten years ago can come back to bite you in the azz tomorrow. Seriously, take some time to understand what you are dealing with here because the media isn't going to explain it to you. The only reason I even have a basic grasp on this is because I enjoy crime history stuff and they've busted the hell out of a lot of gangsters throughout the past 100 years with this type of investigation process.

Also this is not grounds to end their investigation, I know a lot of people find that this is a waste of time but it's not. If he's innocent then it needs to be absolute, if he's guilty it should be absolute. The only way you reach that conclusion is to leave no stone unturned. If he's innocent that's great, if he's not that's fine but at least we have no questions left of either result.

I understand all you said. But this is for the IRS to investigate.

Mueller was given a free for all on an investigation that started without any evidence, and without any limits.

If you go the FBI and tell them you don't like your neighbor, so you tell them to go find some dirt on him, his family, friends, contacts, basically anyone he's ever talked to. Of course they will find something.

But Mueller's mandate was clear: Proof of collusion between Trump and Russia.

We are very far from that, and probably never getting there. It's just about getting any dirt on Trump by any means necessary.

And yet Trump paying off some floozies to keep personal alleged affairs away from the public is really all they got?

Meanwhile Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, all of them at the highest levels of FBI officials were fired, but barely investigated, when they should be in jail. And yet nothing about that.

And you don't see the problem here?

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I understand all you said. But this is for the IRS to investigate.

Mueller was given a free for all on an investigation that started without any evidence, and without any limits.

If you go the FBI and tell them you don't like your neighbor, so you tell them to go find some dirt on him, his family, friends, contacts, basically anyone he's ever talked to. Of course they will find something.

But Mueller's mandate was clear: Proof of collusion between Trump and Russia.

We are very far from that, and probably never getting there. It's just about getting any dirt on Trump by any means necessary.

And yet Trump paying off some floozies to keep personal alleged affairs away from the public is really all they got?

Meanwhile Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, all of them at the highest levels of FBI officials were fired, but barely investigated, when they should be in jail. And yet nothing about that.

And you don't see the problem here?

That's a horrible example man, I think that's part of the problem you are looking at this like these are typical private citizens they are not. I think the severity of these charges is something too big for most people to understand based on the information they get from the media on both sides. This is a very serious charge, if found guilty it would be treason on a scale this country has never ever seen. Democracy is legitimized by its process, the process where the public elects it's leaders based on the candidates policies aligning with their own needs and wants. You rob that legitimacy out of the process and anything goes. As I said, they have no choice but to see this through, you cannot have a prosperous country with a cloud of uncertainty over its head. Again, no disrespect to you or your beliefs and party line...this isn't about republican vs democrat this is all about the legitimacy of our nation and the government. You cannot end a probe of this magnitude until every check mark is actually marked. If this had been Obama or Clinton I wouldn't want this to end until that was complete nor would I for Trump or both Bush'. If someone fkd with our country we should make sure we know if they did or did not. Personally I hope when its all over he's found innocent because if he's not the ripple effect in country morale, consumer confidence, and the markets is going to fk a lot of the nation both of us included....yet even if it ends in a negative light we can rebuild from there but we'll know the truth despite what the outcome is.