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Originally posted by 1bad65 View PostSources please.
Just want to see if this is indeed historical fact, or just your opinion.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5f9b4743fb80
Originally posted by 1bad65 View PostThis is sounding like superfan cheerleading via ducking the question....
Again I ask; comparing the two deals, Obama's Iran deal vs Trump's NK deal, which got better results?
If you can't answer a simple question in an intellectual honest manner, that shows I'm dealing with a superfan.
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Originally posted by Lords View PostBush stopped the supply of fuel oil because they accused NK of "producing nuclear material in another form" (with no evidence) which was highly enriched uranium.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5f9b4743fb80
Do me a favor. When we debate and discuss issues in the future, don't post half-truths. Tell the full story.
Saves time.
Originally posted by Lords View PostAgain, NK wasn't a deal simply a gesture, Obama's deal had Iran actually obeying and passing inspections flawlessly which was the whole point.. The Iran deal didn't fail, is was a success till Trump did an bone headed move.
Others say Iran is violating the agreememt.
And again my key point, the North Koreans acquired nukes after a similar epically stupid deal brokered by liberal Democrats.
Can't blame Trump for trying to avoid a similar bad ending.
Originally posted by Lords View PostYou're opinion on diplomacy is flawed, you can't ask for everything in one sitting, that's not how diplomacy works. In the end we got 5 prisoners back and Iran obeying to the deal, seems like a win to me. Maybe we should of kept there money huh?
Nowhere did I cite "one sitting" much less say that's all that's needed.
My point was Trump got all our hostages back, and gave zero concessions in return.
You still refuse to address that fact.
Can you do so sometime this year?
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Originally posted by Lords View PostYes I know about how much money total but you said Obama personally froze assets because of Iran "making good on there threats." I want sources on this accusation, because as far as I know this is made up.Last edited by maracho; 06-11-2018, 07:43 PM.
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Originally posted by 1bad65 View PostSo you left out a key part. That being NK had already violated the agreement.
Do me a favor. When we debate and discuss issues in the future, don't post half-truths. Tell the full story.
Saves time.
Originally posted by 1bad65 View PostOthers say Iran is violating the agreememt.
Originally posted by 1bad65 View Post
And again my key point, the North Koreans acquired nukes after a similar epically stupid deal brokered by liberal Democrats.
Originally posted by 1bad65 View PostMy point was Trump got all our hostages back, and gave zero concessions in return.
Originally posted by 1bad65 View PostYou still refuse to address that fact.
Can you do so sometime this year?
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Originally posted by maracho View Postclick the link. it was in 2012 during the Obama administration or are you playing that Hillary game where 1/4 of our uranium was sold with jer or Barack knowing about it..lol
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Originally posted by Lords View PostThey didn't violate anything, it was just a ploy to get out. Republicans just didn't want to go along with the deal of supplying NK.
Here, read it yourself. Notice it's CNN....
https://www.cnn.com/2013/10/29/world...-st=9999999999
Let's concentrate on this point, as you're digging in on every word I say.
If you can't concede a point CNN backs me on, you're trolling or a huge superfan in denial not worth my time.
If you are intellectually honest and thus able to concede a sourced assertion, we can move on to the rest.
Let's see where you stand......
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Originally posted by maracho View PostI think there was a big freeze in the 70s but then Obama did it again
(That's another example of a hostile regime taking American hostages and a D President unable to get them freed, then once an R President takes office the hostages are freed without concessions.)
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Originally posted by 1bad65 View PostMight have had something to do with the Iran Hostage Crisis.
(That's another example of a hostile regime taking American hostages and a D President unable to get them freed, then once an R President takes office the hostages are freed without concessions.)
In fact, one of the main concessions by the kidnappers was for the US to promise that it would no longer be involved in Iranian government, especially millitarily. Carter would in turn call for an arms embargo on Iran to make it look as if he was against what he had been doing.
Anyway, what did the Iranian government do to maintain US arms? They went and kidnapped more Americans via Hezbolah in Lebanon.
Now we have Reagan who seemed to like the idea of disarming Iran now under pressure to sell Iran weapons, hence the Iran-Contra affair where he would end up being involved with Contra Crack cocaine, Noriega, lying under oath , etc..and acting as if he didnt know what was going on, which also sounds a lot like Barack and Hillary with their drug deals in Afganistan and Uranium to RussiaLast edited by maracho; 06-12-2018, 11:32 AM.
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