[HOLY S**T!] Cassuis Marcellus Clay: great man great name!

[Zaroku]

Source: http://time.com/4363225/original-cas...-muhammad-ali/

The idea of rejecting a “slave name” has been an ongoing thing with African Americans. Ali, “the greatest” ! Truth is, Ali’s father—Cassius Marcellus Clay, Sr.—was named after a Kentucky slave owner turned abolitionist.

The original Cassius Marcellus Clay (1810-1903), nicknamed Cash, was the son of Kentucky Revolutionary War veteran, politician and slave-owner General Green Clay. While at Yale College, Cash heard a speech by abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison, who influenced the aspiring politician’s anti-slavery sentiments. Unlike Garrison, who called for the immediate end to slavery, Cash became an emancipationist supporting gradual emancipation.

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During the 1840s, Cash was elected to the House of Representatives and twice won reelection; but his anti-slavery views cost him his House seat and almost his life, as he survived two assassination attempts. The death threats continued when he freed his slaves and began publishing the anti-slavery newspaper The True American in Lexington, Ky. When vandals stole his publishing equipment, Cash relocated the office to Cincinnati.

In the 1850s, Cash gave abolitionist John G. Fee a ten-acre homestead on the edge of his property where Fee built Berea College, the first integrated institution of higher learning in the South; Cash was also a founding member of the Republican Party and was pivotal in the campaign to elect Abraham Lincoln in 1860. Cash served as Lincoln’s minister to Russia, where he witnessed the Tsar’s edict of emancipation, which liberated 23 million people from serfdom.

It is often the case in American history that black and white families from the same regions who share the same surname have familial ties, and in fact Clay family lore does say that the boxer was descended from a cousin of his namesake. In any case, they shared their flamboyant personalities and gifts of gab. According to biographer David Smiley in his book The Lion of White Hall, Cash was braggadocious and continuously talked about his military exploits in the Mexican-American War to anyone who would listen. No stranger to controversy, Cash ignited a firestorm on his return from Russia in 1862, on the brink of the Civil War, when he publicly rejected the president’s offer of a military command.








https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cass...ay_(politician)

Mohammed Ali changed his name from Cassius Marcellus Clay, anti slave owner to Mohammed (African slave owner) and Ali ( a slave owner)

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[Zaroku]

Cassius Marcellus Clay was born to Green Clay, one of the wealthiest planters and slaveholders in Kentucky, who became a prominent politician, and his wife Sally Lewis. He was one of six children who survived to adulthood, of seven born.

Clay was a member of a large and influential political family. His older brother Brutus J. Clay became a politician at the state and federal levels. They were cousins of both Kentucky politician Henry Clay and Alabama governor Clement Comer Clay. Cassius' sister Elizabeth Lewis Clay (1798–1887) married John Speed Smith, who also became a state and US politician.[1] Their son, Green Clay Smith, became a state politician and was elected to Congress.

The younger Clay attended Transylvania University and then graduated from Yale College in 1832. While at Yale, he heard abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison speak, and his lecture inspired Clay to join the anti-slavery movement. Garrison's arguments were to him "as water is to a thirsty wayfarer."[2] Clay was politically pragmatic, supporting gradual legal change rather than calling for immediate abolition the way Garrison and his supporters did.[3]

[Zaroku]

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/p...litionist.aspx

Mohammed: debunked

Our Prophet (peace be upon him) never approved of slavery. He once purchased the life of a slave who came to him, liberating him from his master!"

The Truth:

Here is the real story on which that excerpt (of Muhammad 'liberating a slave') is based:
There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man) (Sahih Muslim 3901).
Muhammad actually “purchased” the slave by trading two black slaves, which is hardly a shining example of emancipation. Not only that, it establishes the fact that Muhammad owned and traded African slaves. As a wealthy businessman, he certainly could have liberated all three slaves, but chose instead to sell the two Africans into an uncertain future.

It is also obvious from the passage that Muhammad felt he had been conned into liberating the slave who had come to him, since he was not told of his status as a slave. Because, of this, Muhammad decided that he would not be duped again. In the future, he would always ask first about whether a man was free or not before deciding whether to accept allegiance.

There is also no record of Muhammad “liberating” slaves captured in battle, unless there was something to be personally gained from it. In fact, he made slaves out of those who were previously free people, particularly if they were women and children. Sometimes he used families as leverage to force their men into accepting Islam:

The apostle told them to tell Malik that if he came to him as a Muslim he would return his family and property to him and give him a hundred camels. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 879)
Captured women were passed out like party favors to his men, some of whom were then passed along to others (just like the Islamic State does with Yazidi women). This passage tells of Muhammad giving women as sex slaves to the three men who would become his successors, the future caliphs Umar, Uthman and Ali:

The apostle gave Ali a girl called Rayta; and he gave Uthman a girl called Zaynab; and he gave Umar a girl whom Umar gave to his son Abdullah. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 878, Ibn Kathir v.3 p.481)
Allah gave Muslim men a divine mandate to keep as many sex slaves as they wished (Quran 4:24, 33:52…). Contemporary apologists sometimes pretend that this applies only to women captured in battle (see also Myth: Muhammad Would Never Approve of Rape), but the same privilege is granted to believing men in 70:30, a passage “revealed” to the Muslims in Mecca, when there had been no battles.

Much could be written about Muhammad’s prolific and well-documented relationship with slaves, but one of the most insightful examples comes from this hadith (which is repeated elsewhere):

The Prophet sent for a woman from the emigrants and she had a slave who was a carpenter. The Prophet said to her "Order your slave to prepare the wood (pieces) for the pulpit." So, she ordered her slave who went and cut the wood from the tamarisk and prepared the pulpit, for the Prophet. When he finished the pulpit, the woman informed the Prophet that it had been finished. The Prophet asked her to send that pulpit to him, so they brought it. The Prophet lifted it and placed it at the place in which you see now. (Bukari 47:743)
According to this hadith, the very pulpit that Muhammad preached Islam from was constructed from slave labor on his command! Now does this sound like Muhammad had a problem with slavery?

[Zaroku]

RIP Ali, the greatest boxer ever, and a hero for refusing to be drafted, and changing laws and minds world wide.

[maracho]

Very interesting perspective.
So he changed his name from Abolitionist to slave trader, which I guess stemmed from his belief that his light colored skin was due to Arab ancestry and why he teamed up with the KKK to racially ridicule darker African Americans, mixed marriage, etc

That is until he found he was actually 30 % Irish

[Zaroku]

Very interesting perspective.
So he changed his name from Abolitionist to slave trader, which I guess stemmed from his belief that his light colored skin was due to Arab ancestry and why he teamed up with the KKK to racially ridicule darker African Americans, mixed marriage, etc

That is until he found he was actually 30 % Irish

Pretty much. He was misguided, as was Malcom X, who got murdered by NOI for doubting the words of Elijah Mohammed.

Older generations new history better in many ways. After Mohammed Ali, many AA people jumped on the Muslim bandwagon. It’s more sad than funny.

[maracho]

Pretty much. He was misguided, as was Malcom X, who got murdered by NOI for doubting the words of Elijah Mohammed.

Older generations new history better in many ways. After Mohammed Ali, many AA people jumped on the Muslim bandwagon. It’s more sad than funny.

Being misguided is about as sad as it gets, especially considering that most of Islam had also followed Hitler in the great war

[Zaroku]

Being misguided is about as sad as it gets, especially considering that most of Islam had also followed Hitler in the great war

Yes they did, they followed Hitler. Even now, at some anti Israel events, some people have black flags with a swastika on it. Others got green flags with swords on them..
They tend to end up on the wrong side of history.

P4P, I’d ko Mohammed in seconds! I’d **** him up...

[Zaroku]

Being misguided is about as sad as it gets, especially considering that most of Islam had also followed Hitler in the great war

I guess not many on this site care about facts or how easy it is to believe incorrect things. I wonder if Ali even knew the true greatness of his given name?

You probably seen this video before? It shows how wrong Ali was.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tsL4r_yhMLM

[Eddy Current]

Dang, Cash was against slavery well before Lincoln was against slavery! Cash was a badass!