IF Hillary had won.

[JimRaynor]

If Hillary would've won,

Then up to this point we wouldn't have any tax cuts, thus we'd still have the Obamacare individual mandate tax.

A moderate Supreme Court justice, possibly Republican but probably a real moderate Democrat.

TPP would have passed and built upon.

Tensions with Russia would probably be higher

Illegal immigration would increase and little to nothing would be done to reinforce it.

Stock market and economy would still grow but definitely not at the pace it did with Trumps first year in office.

After these school shootings she'd definitely would use executive powers to enact as much gun control as she could.

There wouldn't be any of these BS women's marches.

News and Politics wouldn't even be a fraction as exciting as they are now.


Clinton, atleast during the first two years would be limited in her powers since this is assuming Republicans would control the Senate and House.

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

lmfao..............................

I go too hard sometimes mlmfao

[Tony Trick-Pony]

So what do you think would the status be?

Relationship with Japan in fissure, Philippines fall out on its alliance, Asian countries now having fissures also in the relationship.

Tension of Russia an all time high..
. Etc etc.

[-Hyperion-]

worse Trump in 4 years...neocons and neolibs are destroying the world too and Trump is just a tumour, not the cancer...good thing about a tumour is that it sticks out and people usually finally go to a doctor.

[Scipio2009]

So what do you think would the status be?

Relationship with Japan in fissure, Philippines fall out on its alliance, Asian countries now having fissures also in the relationship.

Tension of Russia an all time high..
. Etc etc.

-The US would've stayed in the Paris Climate pact.

-Free traders in both parties would've pushed through TPP (putting a thorn in the craw of China as they continue their push for regional hegemony).

-Merrick Garland would've likely taken Scalia's seat on the Supreme Court (Hilary would've tried to nominate a new justice, Republicans would balk at whomever new she'd suggest for the seat, with Garland as the only option).

-The tensions with Russia would've definitely picked up, in a frenemies type of way.

-The Russian effort to continue it's foment of anti-EU sentiments in the EU would've been less effective (with the results in France, UK, Germany, etc likely all changing).

-An effort to do something on comprehensive immigration reform would've been attempted again.

-A far more modest tax reform package would've been put forward (likely also packaged with an infrastructure bill).

-The chances of a hot proxy war in the Ukraine would've picked up.

-there'd be near no effort underway to erase the legacy of President Obama (ignoring the reflexive removal of any effort made by Barack Obama).

-Ruth Bader Ginsburg makes it clear that she will step aside once a new justice is nominated for her seat (in the end, you'd have 2 originalist justices (Thomas, Alito), 4 "living Constitution" justices (Breyer, Sotomayor, Kagan, RBG's replacement), and 3 squish justices (Garland leaning left, Kennedy leaning right, and Roberts "calling balls and strikes")

-The public would've started to wane on any Clinton euphoria that would've come from her election (people will see how warm she isn't, and that the issues that she's actually passionate about are few and far between, and they'd see how not "regular" she is).

-Donald Trump would try to lead a fringe movement to try and turn "lock her up" into a governing strategy attempt by Republicans.

[Scipio2009]

A couple disagreements

If Hillary would've won,

Then up to this point we wouldn't have any tax cuts, thus we'd still have the Obamacare individual mandate tax.

A moderate Supreme Court justice, possibly Republican but probably a real moderate Democrat.

TPP would have passed and built upon.

Tensions with Russia would probably be higher

Illegal immigration would increase and little to nothing would be done to reinforce it.

Stock market and economy would still grow but definitely not at the pace it did with Trumps first year in office.

After these school shootings she'd definitely would use executive powers to enact as much gun control as she could.

There wouldn't be any of these BS women's marches.

News and Politics wouldn't even be a fraction as exciting as they are now.


Clinton, atleast during the first two years would be limited in her powers since this is assuming Republicans would control the Senate and House.

-All things being the same, the women's marches would've likely still happened, with more intensity, had the Harvey Weinstein stuff also come out to join the Donald Trump stuff, and the host of other powerful figures who'd gotten away with abusing women for so long.

-"Illegal immigration" would have tons of things done to enforce it, for the simple fact that Latino voters, whether they voted for her or not, would now have the clout to have their issues/concerns addressed, and the only way any immigration reform deal becomes law would be with excessive enforcement and possibly a comprehensive e-verify system.

Clinton would've been limited by the contours of Congress, but more viscerally, she would've been limited by her lack of true passion/vision on any policy topic, outside of being the first female president, imo anyway.

[Build That Wall]

We'd be ****ed

['b']

The biggest difference would be the relationship with Russia in regards to the Syrian war.

They both were fighting for control of the country - or rather the USA was fighting for control of Syria while Russia was fighting for Syria to remain as it was under Bashar Al-Assad. Syria is an important ally for Russia in the middle east and for the USA it was very important to seize their oil reserves and build a pipeline through Syria into Europe, thus making Euroope less reliant on Russian energy / gas / etc. etc.

OT Hillary wanted a more aggressive stance against Russia - implementing a no-fly zone which is very dangerous. Try telling Russia where and when they can fly in a country that they were INVITED into, as opposed to the USA 'World Police' who just showed up against the country's wishes.

There's only so many Russian planes you can shoot down before they start killing American soldiers / supply lines etc. and things escalate from there

[A.K]

Half of us would be in her prisons right now and we would probably be at war with Russia.

[BostonGuy]

If Hillary would've won,

Then up to this point we wouldn't have any tax cuts, thus we'd still have the Obamacare individual mandate tax.

A moderate Supreme Court justice, possibly Republican but probably a real moderate Democrat.

TPP would have passed and built upon.

Tensions with Russia would probably be higher

Illegal immigration would increase and little to nothing would be done to reinforce it.

Stock market and economy would still grow but definitely not at the pace it did with Trumps first year in office.

After these school shootings she'd definitely would use executive powers to enact as much gun control as she could.

There wouldn't be any of these BS women's marches.

News and Politics wouldn't even be a fraction as exciting as they are now.


Clinton, atleast during the first two years would be limited in her powers since this is assuming Republicans would control the Senate and House.

For one thing, she wouldn't be enacting policies or executive orders attacking our environment like Trump is doing.