Mass Shooting in Las Vegas leaves 58 dead, hundreds injured

[JimRaynor]

The whole point of gun control is to save lives.

A bolt action .22 cant kill 59 people and injure 500 more.

By your logic Vegas counts as 1 gun crime, the same as a carjacking.

Its like saying seatbelts dont work because they don't reduce the number of accidents.

Forget it guy, this is America, 300 million guns in circulation. Go head and tell someone in Texas, or Oklahoma that they have to give up their guns, see how that works out.

It's part of USA culture. Notice that these mass shootings only happen in places where there are stricter gun laws. If someone tried to pull that **** in Texas, he'd have every citizen firing back at him.

[1bad65]

If someone tried to pull that **** in Texas, he'd have every citizen firing back at him.

Those Muslims who attacked the Mohammad cartoon contest learned the hard way that Texans shoot back.

[1bad65]

The whole point of gun control is to save lives.

A bolt action .22 cant kill 59 people and injure 500 more.

By your logic Vegas counts as 1 gun crime, the same as a carjacking.

Its like saying seatbelts dont work because they don't reduce the number of accidents.

All non sequiturs.

My point was this:

So you agree we cant blame the guns as they are but one factor, and data shows places with the most guns and lax gun laws don't have the highest gun crime rates anyway, correct?

You responded with statistics off point.
Would you like to try disagreeing with that statement again, or would you like to finally just concede you have to agree with it?

Let's be honest here, the statement is completely factual. You may not like it, but it is true.

[BrometheusBob.]

Forget it guy, this is America, 300 million guns in circulation. Go head and tell someone in Texas, or Oklahoma that they have to give up their guns, see how that works out.

It's part of USA culture. Notice that these mass shootings only happen in places where there are stricter gun laws. If someone tried to pull that **** in Texas, he'd have every citizen firing back at him.

Nevada is definitely not a good example of that though. Other than prohibiting guns on college campuses, Nevada is pretty lax with guns.

In NV you can purchase and open carry handguns or long guns without a permit or registration. Background checks are voluntary for private sellers. You can get in trouble for knowingly selling guns to fugitives, felons, minors, known gang members, but even then the law does not require you to find any of that out. (https://www.leg.state.nv.us/nrs/nrs-...l#NRS202Sec362)

Plus, if someone was firing down at a concert from a few dozen stories up in Texas, I'm not positive someone from below would have capped him.

But of course we can agree that no legal guns is not the answer either.

The whole point of gun control is to save lives.

A bolt action .22 cant kill 59 people and injure 500 more.

By your logic Vegas counts as 1 gun crime, the same as a carjacking.

Its like saying seatbelts dont work because they don't reduce the number of accidents.

[Furn]

All non sequiturs.

My point was this:

So you agree we cant blame the guns as they are but one factor, and data shows places with the most guns and lax gun laws don't have the highest gun crime rates anyway, correct?

You responded with statistics off point.
Would you like to try disagreeing with that statement again, or would you like to finally just concede you have to agree with it?

Let's be honest here, the statement is completely factual. You may not like it, but it is true.

It may be factual but it's a strawman argument and it's actually helping the gun control argument.

If gun control doesn't reduce the number of gun crimes but does reduce the number of gun deaths then that shows that type of guns and accessories available legally is the major factor in how many people are killed by guns.

[JimRaynor]

Nevada is definitely not a good example of that though. Other than prohibiting guns on college campuses, Nevada is pretty lax with guns.

In NV you can purchase and open carry handguns or long guns without a permit or registration. Background checks are voluntary for private sellers. You can get in trouble for knowingly selling guns to fugitives, felons, minors, known gang members, but even then the law does not require you to find any of that out. (https://www.leg.state.nv.us/nrs/nrs-...l#NRS202Sec362)

Plus, if someone was firing down at a concert from a few dozen stories up in Texas, I'm not positive someone from below would have capped him.

But of course we can agree that no legal guns is not the answer either.

You hit the nail on the head, the guy was shooting from the 32nd floor.

But Las Vegas is not a good example. Even if Nevada has lax gun laws, the people in Vegas are mostly tourists from other states, all of whom don't travel with guns.

[BrometheusBob.]

You hit the nail on the head, the guy was shooting from the 32nd floor.

But Las Vegas is not a good example. Even if Nevada has lax gun laws, the people in Vegas are mostly tourists from other states, all of whom don't travel with guns.

Yeah that's a fair point, at least for those traveling by plane. Plus, even if the hotel doesn't strictly check for guns I imagine most people wouldn't think to bring a gun in, if they even have one.

Plenty of people live in Vegas but probably not a huge number of long-term tenants in the hotel like the shooter himself.

[Shaolin Sword]

I specifically cited gun crime and crime rates.

Please stay on point.

Another pwnage and what does he do?

His usual semantics game.

You're past it, old man.

[E10Rifle]

Gun ownership: A right
Healthcare: A privilege

That’s why your country is f***ed up in seven words, right there.

[soul_survivor]

He was a terrorist right?