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  • Originally posted by SemiGreat View Post
    youre playing both sides. youd rather trump fail by allowing obamas 68% to be a ''just part of the job'' excuse. as if every pres passes along a 68% increase !!!!

    should trump increase the debt 1 %, im sure youll be here gloating how trump didnt do shlt.

    at the same time you want to seem levelheaded and hope he fixes the mess.

    lets both give him time !!!
    how much time did you give obama before making demands ? let me guess, day 1, right ?!?!? youre not a hypocrite.

    Stop saying I want Trump to fail because that is sillyest bullcrap ever.

    Im telling you the opposite. Deal with it.

    What I did say is that I dont know what he plans to do and I dont want people pretending that they know either. I can link you to an article that shows that Republican leaders dont even know whats in his healthcare plan and that what he previously put on his website was alot of nothing.

    Im more then ready to give Trump time. I didnt even make any demands. You are calling me a hypocrite but you dont know ****.

    Now address what i said about the debt. Why wasnt it a bigger issue in this election?

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    • Originally posted by AllBoxingAD View Post
      Stop saying I want Trump to fail because that is sillyest bullcrap ever.

      Im telling you the opposite. Deal with it.

      What I did say is that I dont know what he plans to do and I dont want people pretending that they know either. I can link you to an article that shows that Republican leaders dont even know whats in his healthcare plan and that what he previously put on his website was alot of nothing.

      Im more then ready to give Trump time. I didnt even make any demands. You are calling me a hypocrite but you dont know ****.

      Now address what i said about the debt. Why wasnt it a bigger issue in this election?
      ok, lets skip the fakery and deal with time frames. wgaf about what order of business he SAID his plans are in ?!?!?!? all that matters is he either will or wont get it done. he has 4 yrs and already people are in his ass......

      heres to trump keeping some of his promises so we can end this feeble yes/no session. after all, were both americans.

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      • Originally posted by AllBoxingAD View Post
        1. I care about the words if they arent 'just a bunch of words'.
        That's the problem. You don't know that they're just a bunch of words until they're disproven - which is too late. We found out 6 years too late that Obama was a liar.


        Originally posted by AllBoxingAD View Post

        The bunch of words you mention still point us in a clear direction of where they want to take the country. Obama pretty much held up to what we thought he was all those years IMHO.
        No he didn't. He might have held up for those who want socialism. He didn't hold up for those who care about jobs.

        What Obama stood for is "well, I can't bring those jobs back, so screw it. I'll just try to get everyone more educated" instead of accepting that's not a reality. As a result, millions more jobs than should have been were lost.

        What Obama said is, "you banks are just too big. I can't just let you drop, I need you to help my poor people." What he should have done is said, "you guys go on and fail. I want more credit unions who are willing to help my poor people, and I'll help you financially start up and get going, and transfer away from these billionaires who are cheating people."

        What Obama said is, "well, this guy was just a soldier. He didn't actually kill anybody, he just talked about it" and let him walk. What he SHOULD have done is, "these guys are all terrorists. They all came from terrorist countries and they got in because we failed. Let's fix the borders."

        Originally posted by AllBoxingAD View Post
        Now, more specifically about health care.

        You are simplifying the issues way too much to be serious. People who cant afford it should just get better paying jobs? Really?

        The unhealty people who cant afford healthcare will drag everyone else down with them if they are uninsured. Thats where this is going and its just a fact that has to be adressed.
        Unhealthy who can't afford healthcare is a symptom of a broken healthcare industry, not a broken insurance industry. That's the point.

        Obama made insurance a crutch. Do you know what insurance is? It's a Ponzi scheme. They collect super amounts of money on the off chance you need help paying for healthcare. Meanwhile, percentage wise, the majority of Americans may only use less than 1% of what they're paying into it. That's a broken system.

        The fix should be to make insurance optional, not required. You do that by fixing the cost of medical care. You do that by subsidizing portions of it for critical care.

        There are people out there who run to the ER every time they feel like they can't breathe - get there and it turns out they're just congested and only need an expectorant.

        There are people out there clogging up the system because they refuse to stop smoking/drinking/taking drugs. That's a choice. They shouldn't be allowed to clog up the system in the first place, and if they do, they should be required to pay directly for it.

        You get rid of the dead weight, the healthcare costs go down, the insurance costs go down.

        Obamacare had the right idea but against the wrong people. It shouldn't ding healthy people for unhealthy people. It should ding those who make and keep themselves unhealthy, thus creating risk, thus creating extra visits, thus creating extra costs. THEY should be the ones paying. You can only do that by going against taxes they already pay, otherwise they'll just choose not to pay. You make it fair by saying that you're not discriminating against anyone. Everyone pays a few bucks a check towards a general fund that benefits no one specific group of people. Now those smokers etc. are paying their fair share, and the insurance is not a requirement because costs aren't unsustainable as they are now.

        Originally posted by AllBoxingAD View Post
        Trump has gone back and forth on everybody will be covered to people who can afford it will be covered. According to various estimates, 15 to 21 million will lose insurance immediatly when Obamacare is repealed. The question is how do you get those people to buy in.

        What I do like is he said he would after big pharma to lower costs. Lets see what he's got. A big part of people electing him is they trust him as a negotiator in chief.

        Tell me what you think about this article
        http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...macare/501248/
        That article is filled with a bunch of anti-Trump rhetoric. It's not their fault, but they're focused on the wrong thing.

        Hillary's plan was to try and "fix" Obamacare by targeting things that won't have any positive effect on the most negatively impacted. It can't be fixed. It's not the right answer at all. The horse is already out of the barn.

        Trump's general idea is that Obamacare's cost isn't the right answer, thus it needs to go away. Replaced with what? It doesn't matter yet.

        The first step is to accept that Obamacare is and was a failure for the majority of Americans. It might have served the minority well, but we should not be catering to the minority. We need to cater to everyone. Obamacare can't do that.

        Look the name. "Affordable" Care Act. That's already broken. It should be "Available" Care Act - meaning it is readily and easily available and accessible no matter who you are, paid into and by all Americans who have ever made money. Everyone pays in, everyone benefits. Those dollars help subsidize part of the care. You pay the other part, whether you do it out of pocket, through a Flex spending account, or through insurance which now should be more affordable because the care is more affordable.

        Employers are then encouraged to match Flex spending contributions for those who participate. Now, you've got more skin in the game without outrageous increases year over year.

        Is that his plan? I don't know. I don't care. Right now, I care that Obamacare is eating into my pocket because I keep myself healthy and in good shape, to benefit some smokers down in California, and I don't accept that. It needs to go.

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          • ****ing loving the meltdown all over social media!

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                • HAHAHA

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                  • Lets skip the mustard Kellyanne....

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