OFFICIAL: Donald Trump thread.

[1bad65]

Remember, I'm asking you WHY.

That means I want your words. Not links, talking points, zingers, etc.

Just WHY you argue to remain disarmed as opposed to demanding the right to bear arms in self-protection.

It's really simple, if you believe that in yiur heart and aren't simply picking a team/side and arguing just to argue.

[1bad65]

We aren't talking about the Paris deal. We seem to agree Trump made the right call there (but if not I'm not arguing that anymore).

I'm asking you about your personal views on gun rights.

[Hype job]

Damn, you have no idea what you are talking about.. America invented mass manufacturing, the assembly line, etc..

We also invented and use labor laws, and third worlders didn't, so now companies take manufacturing to third world crapholes that don't have modern labor laws to save a buck..

How stupid do you have to be to claim America has no expertise in manufacturing and somehow some 12 year old Asian in a sweatshop is an expert..

You are losing a lot of your intellectual credibility in this thread..

"America wealth came from pollution"

"America has no mass manufacturing expertise"


Any other ******ed nuggets of wisdom?

So what is the solution? Do away with labor laws?

[1bad65]

To both of you, labor is a factor, but not always as big as made out to be. It depends. Sugar made a great point I'll expand on....

Not all manufacturing is equal in terms of needed labor. For example, we know you can use Asian kids paid pennies to make Nike shoes. That works for them.

But you cant terms of say silicon chip manufacturing. Kids won't cut it. You need engineers, technicians, and operators with education and training to do the jobs.

Do they make less than American silicon chip factory (called wafer fabs, fyi) workers? Yes. But not near enough less to justify the increased logistics costs and the dangers of sending build plans to countries like China who do not respect intellectual property and copyright laws we do.

So when you see new regulations, expect to see Americans getting pink slips and Asians getting more jobs. It's like clockwork, but too many refuse to accept this reality.

The real savings come from the regulations costs. It's not even close. Again, speaking solely for my industry.

[AllBoxingAD]

Like I said, I'll be happy to go back to the debate, once I get my answer.

I must see where you are coming from in order to continue. You refuse to answer. Since you can't, I must assume you are either an ideologue or a superfan because you cant say WHY youve taken the stance you have.

And with either of those types, debate is pointless. They do as you are doing now, actually.

Digging in, can't even justify their own beliefs, looking to 'win', landing Zingers, etc. Typical nonsense.

It's pointless, except for testing out checkmate arguments and questions to use in further debates, really.

Like I said, I found a question your side can't answer. I'm happy.

But again, I'll play once you answer the question I asked FIRST.

WTF are you going on about?

What question did you ask first?

What 'side' are you talking about?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

So what is the solution? Do away with labor laws?

No, Labor laws are good and need in a civilized society

I have always said, do business with countries that have similar labor laws..

Canada, German, American, Japan, etc.. no one cares if we do business because we are all on the same playing field.

But once you start throwing in undeveloped 3rd world countries into trade acts, they get a huge advantage because their workers have little to no rights, and much much cheaper.. it just syphons jobs from countries with labor laws.

Hence why both trump and Bernie wanted to get rid of these trade acts that have destroyed American jobs..

[Left Hook Tua]

So what is the solution? Do away with labor laws?

Tax incentives for companies who manufacture in the us?

Hurting the unions wouldn't hurt either imo.

[1bad65]

What question did you ask first?

Why do you fight to keep yourselves disarmed as opposed to demanding your right to bear arms as self-protection?

What 'side' are you talking about?

The gun control side. You've taken it. I've taken the opposing gun rights side. No offense, but wasn't that beyond obvious??

[1bad65]

Hence why both trump and Bernie wanted to get rid of these trade acts that have destroyed American jobs..

More truth right there.

It should be so obvious the deal was a raw deal when the big time capitalist and the big time socialist BOTH said the deal sucked for the US.

[AllBoxingAD]

Why do you fight to keep yourselves disarmed as opposed to demanding your right to bear arms as self-protection?



The gun control side. You've taken it. I've taken the opposing gun rights side. No offense, but wasn't that beyond obvious??

We are talking about losing American jobs.

NO ONE has talked about gun control in this thread for a solid 5 pages straight.

When and how did our exchange become about gun control? Since yesterday, in this thread, Ive posted about nothing else then American manufactuing jobs.

I think you have the wrong thread or the wrong person or both.