why kobe didnt win finals mvp back in 2000, 2001 and 2002?

[Left Hook Tua]

kobe is instrumental on 01-02.. but shaq is no pushover.. i think shaq posted 30 and 12 on 01 and 28/13 on 02.. as good as kobe was during those run, shaq is still a little better..

shaw have his lumps on SA series, but that is nitpicking already..

shaq was still great but imo he got fat and lazy after the 1st title.

the thing that helps kobe in my mind was he was better on the road.

a lot of players shrink on the road even stars like shaq, kobe doesn't.

i think that's why some ppl have this image of kobe losing games.

you are more likely to lose on the road.

on the road, shaq doesn't do so well.

so kobe shoots more to compensate for shaq lower numbers.

if they loss shaq uses his tired "THEY WEREN'T FEEDING ME" excuse.

[Left Hook Tua]

shaq last year in orlando -

1996 26.6 ppg 19.1 fga pg

shaq title years with kobe -

2000 29.7 ppg, 21.1 fga pg
2001 - 28.7 ppg, 19.2 fga pg
2002 - 27.2 ppg , 18.3 fga pg

[lebrick]

shaq was still great but imo he got fat and lazy after the 1st title.

the thing that helps kobe in my mind was he was better on the road.

a lot of players shrink on the road even stars like shaq, kobe doesn't.

i think that's why some ppl have this image of kobe losing games.

you are more likely to lose on the road.

on the road, shaq doesn't do so well.

so kobe shoots more to compensate for shaq lower numbers.

if they loss shaq uses his tired "THEY WEREN'T FEEDING ME" excuse.

kobe isn't feeding him really..

shaq + kobe's will to be on top will be the goat..

shaq got fat and out of shape.. no excuse on that.. world class talent but zero discipline..

[lebrick]

shaq last year in orlando -

1996 26.6 ppg 19.1 fga pg

shaq title years with kobe -

2000 29.7 ppg, 21.1 fga pg
2001 - 28.7 ppg, 19.2 fga pg
2002 - 27.2 ppg , 18.3 fga pg

compare it to kobe

2000 22.5ppg, 18fga
2001 28.5ppg, 22fga
2002 25.2ppg, 20fga

look at that volume shooting..

and at 2003 18 to 24 fga disparity..

you have shaq on your team and you have the nerve to outshoot him because you won your first championship..

[MaD RoBoT]

compare it to kobe

2000 22.5ppg, 18fga
2001 28.5ppg, 22fga
2002 25.2ppg, 20fga

look at that volume shooting..

and at 2003 18 to 24 fga disparity..

you have shaq on your team and you have the nerve to outshoot him because you won your first championship..

it's the way of Kobe saying "hey you ain't huggin the spotlight by yourself, it's my time to show my thang here"

[DARKSEID]

so shaq was the boss back then?

Was the most dominant center of his era the boss?

[hhs661]

easy when you don't watch the games and don't know what happened.

shaq was a beast 2000.

but by 01 and 02 kobe was more valuable in the west playoffs.

lol funny. Everyone knew who's team it was til they lost to the Pistons in the finals. When Shaq wasn't the dominant big man anymore and the signs of wear and tear were apparent.

But hey, I guess a Kobe that was shooting around 42% from the field with about 25 attempts per game was the obvious player the Lakers were riding as early as 2001. Or in your words, more valuable I'm the last two seasons of their 3-peat

[Left Hook Tua]

lol funny. Everyone knew who's team it was til they lost to the Pistons in the finals. When Shaq wasn't the dominant big man anymore and the signs of wear and tear were apparent.

But hey, I guess a Kobe that was shooting around 42% from the field with about 25 attempts per game was the obvious player the Lakers were riding as early as 2001. Or in your words, more valuable I'm the last two seasons of their 3-peat

that's the thing just because everyone says it was shaq's team, doesn't make it so.

kobe was just as important, if not more as early as 2001.

pistons 2004 thought so as well. they focused on kobe and let shaq go 1 on 1.

[Left Hook Tua]

numbers are good but they don't tell the whole story.

when 24 sec clock is running out, kobe not shaq is depended on to force a shot.

fouls on shaq lower his fga. teams don't foul kobe.

crunch time, they can't give shaq the ball because of his ft.

on the road kobe has to take more shots to compensate for shaq lower numbers.

feeding shaq is not easy. he's lazy to move around and teams try to prevent inbound to him.

[hhs661]

that's the thing just because everyone says it was shaq's team, doesn't make it so.

kobe was just as important, if not more as early as 2001.

pistons 2004 thought so as well. they focused on kobe and let shaq go 1 on 1.

In their Portland, San Antonio, Sacramento run Shaq was still the more efficient player. His +/- numbers were better than those of Kobe. The ball was still going through Shaq late in games first until the hack-a-shaq came about in around 99-00.
We can thank Don Nelson for that but to say this wasn't Shaq's team during the 3-peat is comical.

This limited Shaq's touches at the end of games by a big majority. Add whatever number you want or don't. But Shaq was the man LA til he and his injuries became more noticeable. When he started coming into training camp over weight and had his toe problems that would keep him out of a lot of regular season games.

Even with that, Shaq was still top 3 in player efficiency ratings. he didn't fall out of the top 5 till he went to Miami. And he was#1 for 5 seasons in a row in LA. LA was Shaq's squad.