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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Enayze View PostIt is always nice to see a person who probably never read the bible argue against a perfect creator. If you read the very first pages of the bible you will understand what happened to creation. To briefly summarize it for you, creation was made perfect by God, men, however, through sin corrupted all creation and made it imperfect. It seems as though everything with God operates on cause and effect. Somehow, tsunami's, famine, and diseases are all a direct result of sins. Just about every evil in this world is man made by his direct or indirect contribution.
Here is a link to earthquake statistics over the past 40 years
http://www.earth.webecs.co.uk/images/graph.jpg
And as for your graph. Read the quote below.
'However, this trend needs to be understood in relation to the increase in seismographs. Certainly, in the last 25 years, more lower intensity earthquakes have been noticed because of a general increase in the number of seismograph stations across the world and improved global communications. This increase has helped seismological centres to locate many small earthquakes which were undetected in earlier decades. Therefore, an upward trend is not unexpected in the graph'
My argument is that complexity can be explained, and therefore God did it.
I don't particularly disagree with you, but this has nothing to do with whether God exists or not.
Its the old God of the gaps argument.
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Originally posted by Russian Crushin View PostI didn't look for it, he said he witnessed it
Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion—several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn’t straight. --Mark Twain
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Originally posted by jazluvr View PostQuote:
Originally Posted by jazluvr View Post
The thread title... God does not exist: true or false?
Me-My answer to this is..anybody that's alive cannot truly answer this question as fact.
SP-Neither can anyone who is dead. Because they're dead. Me-I agree.
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Some people that have died during surgery and brought back have had out of body experiences, and some claim that there is a God.
SP-Someone who has died and been brought back wasn't dead. Dead is final, that's sort of one of the defining factors of it. Somebody may have the appearance of clinical death before being brought back, but they weren't dead.
me-How do you know they weren't dead? How do you know what a "final" death is and isn't? Death is when all body functions cease to operate. but as you say, traces of energy that are still in the body can be re-invigorated enough to bring them back before it's over for good.
Who's to say what they experienced during this time wasn't real for them?
SP-Out of body experiences have been recreated by use of oxygen starvation under laboratory conditions.
Me-So what? What does that have to do with what peoples vitals going dead and being jump-started back to life on the operating table have to do with lab-controlled experiences. And what did those people experience?
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Me-Originally Posted by jazluvr View Post
The idea of this is humans have free will, and we are responsible for our actions, it is believed that God does not directly interfere with humans actions.
SP-That's not what it says in the Bible.
Me-I choose to believe that bible was man-made, so it's possible the bible was wrong. can you prove the bible as fact?? No.
Again, it comes down to choice.
I'm not trying to prove anybody wrong. All I'm saying is...we don't know if God exists. There is no proof he/she/it does or doesn't.
Originally posted by Barnburner View Postif you put dust in a box it doesnt make a planet.
Honestly.
Originally posted by Checheni_Lamara View PostWhat is praying ? What comes to your mind is spoken this word ?
Saying hello is a praying when you see someone or when you enters a place.
Smiling to people is a praying.
It is a worship to help poor needy people.
Being tolerant is a praying .
Not to tell lie is a praying .
Paying attention to your health is a praying .
Being right people is praying.
No one doesnt want money from you for praying or worship.
Originally posted by FuriousStyles View PostEvery person in hell is a believer. Sad thing is that it is too late for them.
Originally posted by Cleto_Reyes View PostWell everythin i am going to tell you is MY experiences. No doubt you will find some excuses to discredit it but you asked a question and i am going to answer. There will be times i am praying for someone and without knowing God uses me to tell them what they are praying about. I have seen demon posses people . I have casted out those evil spirits using the power of prayer which is the greatest thing a Christian has.
Reality, Celto_Reyes, Cleto_Reyes, reality.
I have been healed many times through God power not to mention the many times ive seen people that should of died and God heal them leaving the doctors scratching their head. thats right not even science can explain God miracles its impossible.
Originally posted by Enayze View PostOf course God exists and it is so evident that I don't know how people are so willingly ignorant to say otherwise. Take a look around you, everything is designed from the plant life, to the wild life, to humans themselves, never mind the cosmos.
Originally posted by Enayze View PostThe bible........
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Originally posted by D-MiZe View PostProvide one piece of evidence for God's existence.
The Universe flashed into existence
the start of living organisms from nonliving matter
the number of people who attest to knowing God(including me)
the gnawing in your heart and mind to determine if God is really there(the reason you fools make countless threads and care so much about a God you claim to believe doesn't exist)
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Originally posted by Davis40 View PostThe Universe flashed into existence
the start of living organisms from nonliving matter
the number of people who attest to knowing God(including me)
the gnawing in your heart and mind to determine if God is really there(the reason you fools make countless threads and care so much about a God you claim to believe doesn't exist)
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Originally posted by Davis40 View PostThe Universe flashed into existence
the start of living organisms from nonliving matter
the number of people who attest to knowing God(including me)
the gnawing in your heart and mind to determine if God is really there(the reason you fools make countless threads and care so much about a God you claim to believe doesn't exist)
#2 - There's already been test to show that is possible.
#3 - Just because 99% of people believe in something, doesn't make it true.
The entire world believed the earth was flat and that wasn't true.
#4 - There's no "knawing" what is here is the fact that religious people force
god down your throats everyday and want you to pay for him, worship
him and have him make decisions for everyone. That's what is ANNOYING.
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Originally posted by Mud View Post
Id like you to explain how tsunami's are a direct result of mans sins.
"I will punish the world for their evil, -- and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible: -- Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shalt remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of host, and in the day of his fierce anger." (Isaiah 13:11)
And as for your graph. Read the quote below.
'However, this trend needs to be understood in relation to the increase in seismographs. Certainly, in the last 25 years, more lower intensity earthquakes have been noticed because of a general increase in the number of seismograph stations across the world and improved global communications. This increase has helped seismological centres to locate many small earthquakes which were undetected in earlier decades. Therefore, an upward trend is not unexpected in the graph'
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquak...ear/graphs.php
No. "God did it" is not an explanation. You only believe God did it because you have no other answer. That is ignorance. Pure and simple.
Of course it does. You gave reasons why people should believe in God. Complexity, which you dont understand. But mankinds understanding of nature have increasingly grown. Thereby quashing many reasons for believing in a God.
Its the old God of the gaps argument.
Again just because you find out by what method God used to create the universe does not disqualify God from existence, in fact it should only enhance His presence. That type of thinking is almost equivalent to discovering every intricacy of microsoft and then proceeding to say Bill Gates was not responsible, or that now Bill Gates does not exist.
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