a white man shoots up a sikh temple in milwaukee, wi

[squealpiggy]

This just happened not too long ago so the number of deaths not known but there were reportedly 20-25 people shot.
http://fox6now.com/2012/08/05/severa...urch-shooting/

Another step closer to Americans losing their gun rights.

The bodies are still warm and already you're coopting this for political gains?

What's the betting that this murderer obtained his weapons legally?

Doesn't Canada have fairly lenient gun laws and have millions of gun owners? Yet crimes involving guns are very low. Could the answer to the problem be American society in general, and not just the gun laws.

No, Michael Moore is a liar. Canada has strict gun laws. To get a Firearms Acquisition Certificate you need to apply and pass a test, then your application goes to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police who conduct an extensive background search including checking medical records, calling your employers, calling your spouse. This can take six months or more. There are two levels of license, standard for long guns and restricted for handguns, semi-automatic rifles, carbines etc. And there's a long list of prohibited weapons including fully automatic weapons and machine guns along with short barrel shotguns.

Furthermore there are strict regulations on the storage and transportation of weapons. Ammunition and weapons have to be stored in separate safes for example, and on separate floors of your house. You can't sleep with a gun "for protection". Weapons can only be transported (in a locked carrier) for specific purposes and with restricted weapons there are specified places you're allowed to take them to or from (unless you have special dispensation to use them in your job for example if you are police or an armed security guard).

Having said that there is something unique about US culture. In Canada guns are referred to as "firearms". They are used for hobby shooting and hunting (unless you have special dispensation for your job, see above) and are not referred to as "weapons". In the US they are constitutionally defined as weapons, as arms and as means to kill other people. That makes a difference.

Plus when yanks watch Westerns they automatically assume that they're the good guy in the white hat and that the slack jawed yokels, cantankerous old drunks, black-toothed varmints and terrified townsfolk is everyone them.

[Light_Speed]

Prolly some skinhead who thought it was a Mosque and they were muslims

That's exactly what it was. Dude had a 9-11 tattoo, this dumb fuck didn't know the difference between sikhs and muslims.

Thats an unfair/invalid compariosn imo. For instance, we are very strict on drugs. This alone creates a dangerous black market, resulting in many gun crimes/deaths/etc.

Difference is it's stupid to prohibit something that can only harm and kill the user. Guns are a different story. I'm not advocating banning them anyway, just making it harder for people to get them.

[arraamis]

Doesn't Canada have fairly lenient gun laws and have millions of gun owners? Yet crimes involving guns are very low. Could the answer to the problem be American society in general, and not just the gun laws.

In a sense .... yes!!!!

America is a very violent country, always has been and always will be, internally and externally. You would be hard pressed to find another nation on earth, that has started more wars, killed more human beings globally and nationally than America and its citizens.

I know some may mention or think, what about Hitler's Germany, N.Korea or Africa .... those nations are amateurs compared to America\American's when it comes to the killing of humans.

[paulf]

When my family members first started coming here, they all went to Milwaukee. I ****ing love that town, but they have a large popular of people with european (polish, german) heritage that are racist as ****.

Damn shame. Maybe he was just 'standing his ground?'

[squealpiggy]

In a sense .... yes!!!!

America is a very violent country, always has been and always will be, internally and externally. You would be hard pressed to find another nation on earth, that has started more wars, killed more human beings globally and nationally than America and its citizens.

I know some may mention or think, what about Hitler's Germany, N.Korea or Africa .... those nations are amateurs compared to America\American's when it comes to the killing of humans.

Are you nuts? Hitler's Germany killed eleven million people systematically in death camps! That's quite apart from the huge number of deaths caused in their wars of aggression but directly through violence and indirectly through deliberate and incidental starvation! The largest single group of deaths caused by America was the destruction of the native American populations mainly through disease. And you have to remember that most of these deaths preceded the formation of the United States.

[arraamis]

Are you nuts? Hitler's Germany killed eleven million people systematically in death camps! That's quite apart from the huge number of deaths caused in their wars of aggression but directly through violence and indirectly through deliberate and incidental starvation! The largest single group of deaths caused by America was the destruction of the native American populations mainly through disease. And you have to remember that most of these deaths preceded the formation of the United States.

Not to distort or take away from the seriousness of this recent lost of human life in WI, I just wanted to respond briefly to the notion, that Hitler's Germany reigns supreme in the devaluing and destruction of human life. I think the lost of human life during the establishment of these United States should be inclusive, along with post-established statistics. Similarly, Hitler's Germany didn't start murdering Jews only when he finally became Chancellor, it started long before the Third Reich came to power. The so-called "Final solution" was only accelerated once he had the political control necessary to execute his plans.

Considering the above statement, the genocide of the so-called American Indians should be added to the very long tally.

Excerpt: "Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide?"
Thus, according to Ward Churchill, a professor of ethnic studies at the University of Colorado, the reduction of the North American Indian population from an estimated 12 million in 1500 to barely 237,000 in 1900 represents a"vast genocide . . . , the most sustained on record."

By the end of the 19th century, writes David E. Stannard, a historian at the University of Hawaii, native Americans had undergone the"worst human holocaust the world had ever witnessed, roaring across two continents non-stop for four centuries and consuming the lives of countless tens of millions of people." In the judgment of Lenore A. Stiffarm and Phil Lane, Jr.,"there can be no more monumental example of sustained genocide—certainly none involving a 'race' of people as broad and complex as this—anywhere in the annals of human history."
Reference: http://hnn.us/articles/7302.html


Reference: National Violent Death Reporting System

"Between 2000 and 2005, 180,000 Americans committed suicide. 30,000 commit suicide annually, one at each 16 minutes and most have a diagnosable psychiatric disorder. 96,000 Americans got killed in the same period (homicides). 2004 FBI data estimated a rate of 5.5 murders per 100,000 inhabitants, mainly by firearm. "

[arraamis]

[Russian Crushin]

Jesus this thread has gone full ******

[arraamis]

"The Sikh American community, like all Americans, is shocked after this attack,” said SALDEF Managing Director Kavneet Singh. “We mourn the loss of those who were killed today and pray for the swift recovery of the those injured, including the veteran police officer who put himself in harm's way to protect his community.”

SALDEF thanks our friends and neighbors from across the country for the outpouring of support and condolences as we come together to mourn and heal as one unified national community standing together against violence and bigotry.

“This attack is particularly troubling due to its occurrence at a place of worship,” said Mr. Singh. “All houses of worship, like this gurdwara, are places of peace. Attacks at any of the nation’s houses of worship must be condemned by all Americans. This type of crime strikes at the very foundation of religious freedom, among the fundamental principles upon which this country was built."

[Weebler I]

Another step closer to law-abiding citizens losing their gun rights.

Fixed.......

Don't you see it's the law-abiding citizens committing these atrocities?

Sure, criminals rob and steal but they don't shoot up masses of people for the fun of it.

It's the law-abiding citizens with mental health issues who do these acts and giving them easy access to guns is well...suicide.

How do we protect ourselves from being shot at church or the movies? Bring a gun ourselves. #AmericanLogic