Pitbull vs. lightweight Japanese Tosa (Graphic)

[Konstantin]

Not really down with the whole factory farming thing either. I can honestly tell you that the overwhelming majority of food I eat was grown/raised on local farms and treated fairly humanely.

Anyway, I'm not a fan of dog fighting however I think the parallel to boxing is pretty solid.

The dogs are not forced to love it. Nothing can be forced to love anything. They are conditioned/taught to love it. When they fight and do well they are rewarded.

It is the exact same way with boxing. No one loves getting hit in the head. Boxing has been programed into youths of slums that it can be a road to success. Many of them are "forced" to box because it is the only way they can survive because of their lack of education/bad upbringing with broken homes.

Boxing is just as barbaric as dog fighting. Think about all the brain damage that we have heard about from the top fighters. Imagine how many more boxers in the world there are who are fighting more often in order to feed themselves and getting hit more often, or even knocked out because they simply don't have the defense of a world championship boxer. Being a low level boxer is probably one of the worst jobs you could have. You take 10x more damage for .001 of the pay.

[BigStereotype]

Anyway, I'm not a fan of dog fighting however I think the parallel to boxing is pretty solid.

The dogs are not forced to love it. Nothing can be forced to love anything. They are conditioned/taught to love it. When they fight and do well they are rewarded.

It is the exact same way with boxing. No one loves getting hit in the head. Boxing has been programed into youths of slums that it can be a road to success. Many of them are "forced" to box because it is the only way they can survive because of their lack of education/bad upbringing with broken homes.

Boxing is just as barbaric as dog fighting. Think about all the brain damage that we have heard about from the top fighters. Imagine how many more boxers in the world there are who are fighting more often in order to feed themselves and getting hit more often, or even knocked out because they simply don't have the defense of a world championship boxer. Being a low level boxer is probably one of the worst jobs you could have. You take 10x more damage for .001 of the pay.

We disagree, simple as that.

[PinoyKiller]

1. The difference is that boxers choose to do that. They love it. A pitbull is forced to love it.
2. I don't mind hunting or slaughtering animals for food. We're creatures that need to eat, we eat meat and we have the means to mass-produce it. Nothing wrong with that. It's the way of the world. Hunting for sport, I'm a little iffy on. I don't personally see the pleasure in killing a deer or a bear just so you can show off how big your dick is, but to each their own.
3. Those wild animals that suffer, they suffer naturally. That's how things go in the wild. The difference is, they're not forced to fight each other and electrocuted or drowned if they're puny. They probably die on their own, but it wasn't forced on them. But if you actually think that boxing and dogfighting are the same, you're too dumb to argue with.

1. Many boxers hate the sport. Many boxers hate being ripped off, and many end up broke. Loads of boxers start off because they have no means to do anything else.
2. A human life is more value than a dog. Beating each other to cause a knock out kills brain cells. Many end up slurring, with brain damage. Many end up broke too.
As for needing to eat, humans can sustain the human body with tofu and vegetables, which many choose to do now. Why do we need to eat meat for? Why do we need to kill animals for food?
3. As for wild animals, why should we not feed them instead of let them die? Is it not cruel to let an animal die?
4. As for me being dumb, I can assure you I am smarter than you. I think that your opinion of dog fighting as cruel is quite hypocritical when boxing is just as cruel. Some dogs survive dog fights with injuries. Some do die.
There are many boxers who have permanent injuries tyat we don't see since they are small time boxerd. Heck look at Margarito's face after Pac, Morales after Maidana, Alexander and Kessler's eyes etc... Look at Gerald Mccellan and Muhammad Ali...

Now to my point.

You may think dog fighting is cruel, and I agree, but those dogs are bred to fight. It's in their genes, and they are nurtured too as well, and I would go as far to say as those dogs also have it in then to fight. There are many videos of Pits attacking other breds in the street, it's their way.
Now boxers, well most are not bred to fight, but some are good at it. Many such as Taylor, do not even watch boxing. They do it because they need the money. They may not be forced at gun point, but then let me ask you this, if your boss said I aint paying you, are you gonna work for him?

There are fair more cruel things in the world. There are thousands killed a year, and I mean humans.

At the end of the day, a human life is more important than a dogs life to me, and I will judge it in relative. I can not say two humans out in a ring to fight to the death is even near comparable to a dog fight.
If it has to be like that for you, then clearly you have issues and need to go and eat organic healthy vegetables and be a Vegan.

[Alibata]

I think your missing the point

Us as humans have a choice, people who say "boxing is barbaric" well they are not the ones being forced to box....

These dogs have no choice....they forced to fight one another, practically to the death...there isnt no referee in there saying... ok thats not allowed..or stop...hes taking to much punishment....

Its just full steam ahead...first one to pretty much kill the other dog...

Not true... In Cajun rules, the first dog that quits is picked up. Dogmen would much rather breed a loser who is game then a killer that quits. In Tosa rules if a dog yelps in pain, backs up 3 steps, barks, growls, he loses. I cannot fully hate the practice otherwise I would never have had the pleasure and honor of owning these dogs who can do more then just fight. They do everything with all their heart because they bred to do that in the ring but apply it so much better then other dogs at other things. A pitbull can compete with any dog at their job and do it better.

[CrackYourJaw]

Do you fight dogs, Alibata?

[Alibata]

1. Many boxers hate the sport. Many boxers hate being ripped off, and many end up broke. Loads of boxers start off because they have no means to do anything else.
2. A human life is more value than a dog. Beating each other to cause a knock out kills brain cells. Many end up slurring, with brain damage. Many end up broke too.
As for needing to eat, humans can sustain the human body with tofu and vegetables, which many choose to do now. Why do we need to eat meat for? Why do we need to kill animals for food?
3. As for wild animals, why should we not feed them instead of let them die? Is it not cruel to let an animal die?
4. As for me being dumb, I can assure you I am smarter than you. I think that your opinion of dog fighting as cruel is quite hypocritical when boxing is just as cruel. Some dogs survive dog fights with injuries. Some do die.
There are many boxers who have permanent injuries tyat we don't see since they are small time boxerd. Heck look at Margarito's face after Pac, Morales after Maidana, Alexander and Kessler's eyes etc... Look at Gerald Mccellan and Muhammad Ali...

Now to my point.

You may think dog fighting is cruel, and I agree, but those dogs are bred to fight. It's in their genes, and they are nurtured too as well, and I would go as far to say as those dogs also have it in then to fight. There are many videos of Pits attacking other breds in the street, it's their way.
Now boxers, well most are not bred to fight, but some are good at it. Many such as Taylor, do not even watch boxing. They do it because they need the money. They may not be forced at gun point, but then let me ask you this, if your boss said I aint paying you, are you gonna work for him?

There are fair more cruel things in the world. There are thousands killed a year, and I mean humans.

At the end of the day, a human life is more important than a dogs life to me, and I will judge it in relative. I can not say two humans out in a ring to fight to the death is even near comparable to a dog fight.
If it has to be like that for you, then clearly you have issues and need to go and eat organic healthy vegetables and be a Vegan.

I agree.. I did everything I could to socialize my Tosa, dog parks, petco, training, everything... He still wants to fight.. Right now he is hard to handle in public an wish he would not be as dog aggressive.. I tried... I use him for other things, and he might be hunting wild boar soon.

[Alibata]

Do you fight dogs, Alibata?

Nope, I admire the heart of a fighting dog though.. They are great at many things.. their drive makes them very capable of performing other tasks then fighting. A pitbull for example, used in a weight pull competition would keep pulling till his hear explodes, other dogs would just quit if they can't pull...I had a dog that would fetch rocks out of the bottom of the pool... He would not surface till he got that rock with water coming out his nose. They are incredible.

[PinoyKiller]

Not really down with the whole factory farming thing either. I can honestly tell you that the overwhelming majority of food I eat was grown/raised on local farms and treated fairly humanely.

But the suffering naturally part was about like gazelles and ****. He tried to bring up wild animals suffering as a reason why dog fighting is ok.

never said wild animals dying is Not OK, nor did I say dog fighting is either. I said boxing is barbaric.

If you are going to cry over a dog figjt which is 'forced' then cry over wild animals. Do you think they are 'forced' to live wildly or would they prefer to be fed food? Woukd they prefer to be kept safe from predators? Those wild aninals have no choice to which was my point but you're too slow, you remind me of Margarito, but let's say Marg with 2 more Mosely rematches.

As for local farmers, I have met many. They still kill their animals and not all are looked aftered well either. Farming is not easy, and animals to get neglected.

In fact on small farms, if a dairy cow breds wih one that is bred for meat, then the calf gets **** because the farmer wants specialised cows or good beef meat.

Buying local doesn't mean much, a big improvement maybe for your carbon footprint, but then they all get killed in the end. Do you think they have a 'choice' to get killed or not?

If I could soeak cow, lamb or chicken, do you think they would say 'yes kill me so this baseball fan can eat me and I am local to his area' ?

[BigStereotype]

1. Many boxers hate the sport. Many boxers hate being ripped off, and many end up broke. Loads of boxers start off because they have no means to do anything else.
2. A human life is more value than a dog. Beating each other to cause a knock out kills brain cells. Many end up slurring, with brain damage. Many end up broke too.
As for needing to eat, humans can sustain the human body with tofu and vegetables, which many choose to do now. Why do we need to eat meat for? Why do we need to kill animals for food?
3. As for wild animals, why should we not feed them instead of let them die? Is it not cruel to let an animal die?
4. As for me being dumb, I can assure you I am smarter than you. I think that your opinion of dog fighting as cruel is quite hypocritical when boxing is just as cruel. Some dogs survive dog fights with injuries. Some do die.
There are many boxers who have permanent injuries tyat we don't see since they are small time boxerd. Heck look at Margarito's face after Pac, Morales after Maidana, Alexander and Kessler's eyes etc... Look at Gerald Mccellan and Muhammad Ali...

Now to my point.

You may think dog fighting is cruel, and I agree, but those dogs are bred to fight. It's in their genes, and they are nurtured too as well, and I would go as far to say as those dogs also have it in then to fight. There are many videos of Pits attacking other breds in the street, it's their way.
Now boxers, well most are not bred to fight, but some are good at it. Many such as Taylor, do not even watch boxing. They do it because they need the money. They may not be forced at gun point, but then let me ask you this, if your boss said I aint paying you, are you gonna work for him?

There are fair more cruel things in the world. There are thousands killed a year, and I mean humans.

At the end of the day, a human life is more important than a dogs life to me, and I will judge it in relative. I can not say two humans out in a ring to fight to the death is even near comparable to a dog fight.
If it has to be like that for you, then clearly you have issues and need to go and eat organic healthy vegetables and be a Vegan.

Then don't watch the sport. I see a difference. I can watch boxing and appreciate the honor and the sportsmanship. Dogfighting is simply vicious. If you don't see the difference, don't watch boxing. I don't think that I should be a vegan because I enjoy boxing but not dogfighting.

[Alibata]

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