Pushups?

[SpeedBall]

Yeh I get ya, fair play

[SpeedBall]

Forgot to take the fighting in weight classes into consideration.

The side I was coming from was, you know how the muscle has two different types of fibers

Fast-Twitch - Speed & Power
Slow-Twitch - Endurance

So doing a pressup you can work them both, when you go down towards the floor slowly thats the slow twitch, and pushing back up fast is the fast twitch.

PunchDrunk - So working them both breaks em down more than if you were just working one type of fiber so would grow in mass because of the stress load put on it and so its able to cope with the increasing load put on em?
That theory's always worked for me :S

[dino]

Will you still get the benefits of pushups, chinups, and pullups if you do them B/T work and classes but aren't doing any cardio until late in the evening?

your a jack dempsey fan..i can tell your from idaho

[PunchDrunk]

Forgot to take the fighting in weight classes into consideration.

The side I was coming from was, you know how the muscle has two different types of fibers

Fast-Twitch - Speed & Power
Slow-Twitch - Endurance

So doing a pressup you can work them both, when you go down towards the floor slowly thats the slow twitch, and pushing back up fast is the fast twitch.

PunchDrunk - So working them both breaks em down more than if you were just working one type of fiber so would grow in mass because of the stress load put on it and so its able to cope with the increasing load put on em?
That theory's always worked for me :S

You've misunderstood that theory a little.
1. Even on a max lift, or an explosive lift, you work the slow twitch fibres. The slow twitch fibres always activate first, and then the fast twitch start activating, depending on how much they're needed.
2. Even if what you said was true, working both wouldn't break them down more. You'd still be doing the same amount of work, but spread out on more units. Here's an analogy: Your company has to move 500 containers. You have 50 slow workers and 50 fast workers. Now, would your workers get more tired doing the job, if you only let the 50 fast guys do the job, or if you let all 100 guys do it? Letting 100 guys do the same total work takes the strain off the individual worker, since he has to do less work, than if they were only 50.
3. Slow twitch fibres have a poor potential for hypertrophy, which means that the more of the total work they do, the less mass you can expect to gain.
4. Hypertrophy is not just about the work, a BIG factor is diet. Boxers shouldn't eat enough to gain weight, therefore hypertrophy oriented training will only stress their recovery, making them weaker, not stronger.
5. The increased strength you get from doing explosive reps, is not from mass, as push ups shouldn't really be in the rep range of hypertrophy, which is 6-15 at the most. If your pushup max is within this range, not only is it pathetic, it also means you won't be able to do them explosively.
The strength gain you do get, is most likely from teaching the fast twitch fibres you already have, to fire more rapidly.

[SpeedBall]

Nice post, thanks for clearing things up mate

[j]

you guys put too much emphasis on specific muscle training. muscle conditioning or developement should be a side effect of proper training.

i'll let you figure out what that means.

[j]

and btw, just to make sure **** is straight, i'm not anti push ups, etc. i just beleive that boxing training should take precedence over working out. the more boxing specific related exercises you do, the more direct benefit you're workouts will have on your boxing skills.

working out is good, but i wouldn't recommend working out right before boxing training. and make sure you stretch at the end of the day to help combat stiffness from your workouts.

[PunchDrunk]

you guys put too much emphasis on specific muscle training. muscle conditioning or developement should be a side effect of proper training.

i'll let you figure out what that means.

How do you know that? Have you seen us train?

[KingDosia]

When you do your workouts an weights it breaks the muscle fibers down, heals, and rebuilds stronger for the next load so it can cope. I found this, its a chart of how long it takes to repair the muscle tissue



so if your doing weights more than once a week for that part think that the chart would look like, youd still get growth but not as much as if you trained one body part each day throughout the week.

Something to think about,
Thot id add my 2p

That chart and advice is for Bodybuilding get it the hell of the site.