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  • #11
    Originally posted by kingdosia
    I appreciate the art of bodybuilding. Athletes in that sport are amazing at what they do, however to compart there training to that of a boxer or any combative athleet is like apples to oranges.
    I am learning this. I've only been going off what I know -- it's a pleasure having others on this board who aren't afraid of iron, to help guide me. Thank you.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by fraidycat
      I am learning this. I've only been going off what I know -- it's a pleasure having others on this board who aren't afraid of iron, to help guide me. Thank you.
      I went through the same thing, When I started I assumed that isolating muscle groups, using a lot of weight for fewer reps and training to failure was the way to go. luckly I had some good mentoring and have some excellent fitness guys at the gym I go to. Who refered me to a lot of literature and websites to research my weight training routine did a 180 from then on.

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      • #13
        I was so out of shape when I started boxing, I figured that "in shape" meant "big muscles." But the more I worked on my bench and my curls and my seated military press -- and the leg sled , the more awkward my boxing became. I had to sit back and take a good, hard look at the muscles that I used boxing -- legs and back, mostly -- and the motions I needed to coordinate to box better. I decided on the squat, the full clean, and the deadlift, and have concentrated on these, alone. I haven't done a bicep curl or a bench press in months.

        I made the mistake of assuming. I assumed that by building the physique of a boxer, I would get into boxing shape. Pro boxers, besides having very little bodyfat, generally have exaggerated delts and wide pecs, well-defined arms, and solid legs. I put together a routine to start building that kind of physique. It took me a couple of months to figure out how wrong this approach was; they didn't get that way by lifting weights. Their physiques are a byproduct of their training; almost an accident, compared to the care and calculation a bodybuilder puts in to his or her routine.

        Unfortunately, most boxers -- including the trainers at my gym and most of the experts and so-called experts on boxing forums -- think that so much as touching a weight is anathema for a boxer. So there's a lot of misinformation being spread, and very little support for someone who wants to augment his/her boxing training with weightlifting. I can't stress enough the results I've gotten doing Olympic-style compound lifts.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by fraidycat
          I made the mistake of assuming. I assumed that by building the physique of a boxer, I would get into boxing shape. Pro boxers, besides having very little bodyfat, generally have exaggerated delts and wide pecs, well-defined arms, and solid legs. I put together a routine to start building that kind of physique. It took me a couple of months to figure out how wrong this approach was; they didn't get that way by lifting weights. Their physiques are a byproduct of their training; almost an accident, compared to the care and calculation a bodybuilder puts in to his or her routine.
          This is a great example of a good point. The reason there are "boxing routines" and "weightlifting routines" is because a body will change/adapt/improve based upon the routine it it put through. I agree that a lot of "bodybuilding" or "gym rat" exercises are not entirely beneficial to boxing (I will never be caught saying that weightlifting is useless), but I also agree heavily with those who argue the merits of some lifts. Because boxing is not an isolated-motion sport (that is, you will not find a single instance in a real boxing match where only one muscle group is used at a time), compound lifts with good form are the best way to build all-over strength. If anyone is wondering why squatting, cleans, deadlifts, etc. (like previous people mentioned) are quality boxing exercises, it is because they develop areas that are used MOST OFTEN in boxing. Squatting works your base so your legs stay strong and you have additional push-power, cleans work the entire body for stamina and teach good kinetic energy regulation, deadlifts strengthen the back and core, etc. What I don't like is people (Like myself a few weeks ago, before I got one-on-one time with a coach) who refuse to get away from disco routines. Good posts from you guys so far. Keep it up.

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          • #15
            One warning: crank out five solid sets of cleans at a Bally's, and not only will you draw an appreciative crowd, but someone will come up and ask you for training advice before you're done catching your breath.

            Nobody does cleans at my little yuppie gym. Nobody.

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            • #16
              fraidycat...thats an interesting point you said about benchpress and bicep curls. I used to be the same way. I was a high level soccer player and I trained body beautiful and I thought it made me better. Basically I realized the only way I'll improve my agility is by working on my first step and my footspeed...basically i did a lot of one leg plyo's and one leg squats. and it worked much better then just training without any purpose. I totally feel ya.

              i do also partially agree with your take about the mystique of weight training. only way i differ is that i think you can get the same results by doing strictly explosive training (pushups, med ball training, plyos, situps, dips etc etc.)

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