dropping weight... lose power?

[PunchDrunk]

Not true at all. If you work out in order to lose weight and your body fat goes down as a result, while your muscle mass stays the same, you will gain speed. So if speed x mass = power, the increase in speed will make up for the loss in mass. Now, if you will gain, lose, or conserve your punching power depends exclusively on how much mass was lost and how much speed was gained.

Good point. Sort of. I was thinking weightloss in the area of the thread starter, 20-30 lbs. of 160. 12.5-18.5% of your BW, which is a significant amount. I guess my use of the word ALWAYS was a little misplaced...

That said, I don't agree that you'll necessary gain speed from losing weight. Running speed probably, punching speed, not necessarily. As you say, the power loss will depend on how much mass was lost. But not only on HOW MUCH mass, also WHAT KIND of mass. The what kind part will depend greatly on how long of a period of time you do it over, and what method you employ.

Generally speaking, no one will gain so much speed from losing 30 lbs., that it'll make up for how much mass that actually is. If you go from 160 to 130, power WILL go down. OF course, so will your opponents ability to resist power.

[Smokin']

This is the scientific formula for power:

Power = speed x mass (weight)

This means that power ALWAYS goes down if you lose weight. End of discussion! Don't come in here and call people fools and ******s, when you yourself don't have the BASIC knowledge about how these things work.
Heavyweights can be every bit as skilled as smaller guys, the difference is that the heavier you get, the less relative strength you'll generally have. That means the tempo and punch output will come down a bit, the heavier fighters get. This is the reason HW fighters seem so different from the old school. Marciano was a cruiserweight. Dempsey a Light Heavy.

Also, with weightloss, there's a risk of loss of muscle mass. If weightloss is excessive, you'll weaken some of your fast twitch fibre, and this will make your PHYSICAL ability to produce speed go down.
What's you point about technique worth? Are you saying that dropping from, for example, welterweight to lightweight will automatically improve technique? There are NO reasons to believe that a guy losing weight will get better technique as a trade off. Therefore the equation goes like this:

Same technique + less weight + less speed = Less power!

You're full of ****. Do you even know what skill is? Skill is having the ability to rip 4-5-6 combo's without getting hit. Skill is being able to recognize feints and not getting fooled by them. Skill is being able to turn your punches with accurate precision. Floyd Mayweather has the most skill out of everyone today and you're telling me there are heavyweights (dead or alive) that are as skilled as Floyd. **** off. Get out of here. You are just on your high horse like usual.

Oh and my point about technique is fairly simple. If you are an arm puncher, you won't have a helluva lot of power as opposed to aguy the same size/strength as you if he knows how to shift his weight blah blah blah.

[Zigga]

Floyd Mayweather has the most skill out of everyone today and you're telling me there are heavyweights (dead or alive) that are as skilled as Floyd.

Oh and my point about technique is fairly simple. If you are an arm puncher, you won't have a helluva lot of power as opposed to aguy the same size/strength as you if he knows how to shift his weight blah blah blah.

I think Ali has more skills than Floyd, put floyd in the same weight devision and he wud imo lose. Anyway thats a thread all in its self.

The point about some1 who lacks correct weight distrubution etc and relys just on using the arms for power is a less of a harder puncher then someone who uses the correct technique is incorrect. Il expain....

A fair statement to say is, some1 who punches using just his arms, can increase his punching power by incorporating correct foot, waist movement, weight distribution etc.

I can use just my arms and hit harder then most people my weight and above. So i think that point was a bit of a generalistion. Were all individuals and just becasue some1 uses the correct technique, this dosnt gurantee that he will hit harer then some1 whos technique is inferior.

[Smokin']

Ali has more skills then FLoyd? How exactly? Are you aware that Ali was an arm puncher? Probably not. Are you aware that Ali never threw uppercuts, only 1-2's? Probably not. Seriously, watch some tapes of Joe Louis and Ali and compare the two. Tell me who is more skilled.

And by the way, nice avatar. Duran is the most skilled fighter I've ever seen for my money.

[Smokin']

A fair statement to say is, some1 who punches using just his arms, can increase his punching power by incorporating correct foot, waist movement, weight distribution etc.

I can use just my arms and hit harder then most people my weight and above. So i think that point was a bit of a generalistion. Were all individuals and just becasue some1 uses the correct technique, this dosnt gurantee that he will hit harer then some1 whos technique is inferior.

Fair enough. You are right...I agree with the bolded.

But, the bottom paragrap I think is just flat out wrong. Earnie Shavers flat out was the hardest pucnhing heavyweight ever. None of that matters though because he wasn't skilled to use it. Having lazy power and having power to use is opening up a whole different can of worms.

[PunchDrunk]

You're full of ****. Do you even know what skill is? Skill is having the ability to rip 4-5-6 combo's without getting hit. Skill is being able to recognize feints and not getting fooled by them. Skill is being able to turn your punches with accurate precision. Floyd Mayweather has the most skill out of everyone today and you're telling me there are heavyweights (dead or alive) that are as skilled as Floyd. **** off. Get out of here. You are just on your high horse like usual.

Oh and my point about technique is fairly simple. If you are an arm puncher, you won't have a helluva lot of power as opposed to aguy the same size/strength as you if he knows how to shift his weight blah blah blah.

Are you still upset that I didn't bother giving you advice on how to get your arms less flappy?

You're a 17 old fat kid (as you told me in your PM), and you have no idea what true boxing skill is. You have no experience as a boxer OR as a trainer, so you might want to think about who's really on the high horse here.

I'll let you in on a little secret here; skill is whatever legal means of winning a fighter can employ.

Edit: I seem to keep getting caught up in these arguments with KIDS, with NO FIGHTS, NO EXPERIENCE as trainers, and NO EDUCATION in training theory, physiology or anything else relevant. I'm getting sick of it, and I think I might take a little break from this BS.

[Zigga]

Ali has more skills then FLoyd? How exactly? Are you aware that Ali was an arm puncher? Probably not. Are you aware that Ali never threw uppercuts, only 1-2's? Probably not. Seriously, watch some tapes of Joe Louis and Ali and compare the two. Tell me who is more skilled.

And by the way, nice avatar. Duran is the most skilled fighter I've ever seen for my money.

LOL am well aware of how Ali fought.Ur leaving ur self open for debate because Ali did throw uppercuts.

Joe Lewis, i thought it was PBF a minute ago. I agree that Louis was pound 4 pound one of the greatest fighters of all time and wud give Ali a hell of a fight. More skilled??? Debatable.

Thanks Durans one of my favorite fighters to watch

[Smokin']

Are you still upset that I didn't bother giving you advice on how to get your arms less flappy?

You're a 17 old fat kid (as you told me in your PM), and you have no idea what true boxing skill is. You have no experience as a boxer OR as a trainer, so you might want to think about who's really on the high horse here.

I'll let you in on a little secret here; skill is whatever legal means of winning a fighter can employ.

Edit: I seem to keep getting caught up in these arguments with KIDS, with NO FIGHTS, NO EXPERIENCE as trainers, and NO EDUCATION in training theory, physiology or anything else relevant. I'm getting sick of it, and I think I might take a little break from this BS.

LOL, same old punchdrunk. ALways assuming things

I was 6'0'' 160 at the time. I took 7 months off of soccer (I played at a national level by the way ) and I gained some weight, alot like Ricky Hatton does. If you do remember I asked you about some specific boxing workouts because I joined boxing. BUt of course you forgot to leave that out

[PunchDrunk]

LOL, same old punchdrunk. ALways assuming things

I was 6'0'' 160 at the time. I took 7 months off of soccer (I played at a national level by the way ) and I gained some weight, alot like Ricky Hatton does. If you do remember I asked you about some specific boxing workouts because I joined boxing. BUt of course you forgot to leave that out

Naah, that's not what you wrote at all. I just looked at it in my mail box. You were 17, 190 lbs. Nowhere did you mention joining boxing. I can post your message, if you've forgotten what you wrote?

[Smokin']

I was never 190. I am sure of that. Post it, I don't care.