Boxing weight lifting workout for me

[PunchDrunk]

Don't lift weights. If you want to increase the intensity you can use weighted gloves, but I would say avoid that too. Work on speed. Work on snapping the punches at the bag and always keeping your balance. Make sure you have good gloves and learn how to wrap well. Use the longer wraps and srap the wrist twice. Take care of your hands, especially your wrists. And spar a lot. Oh yeah and spar a lot. Did I mention, spar a lot?

Weight lifting helps very little, if at all and only after you've gotten real good.

What a way to make your first post! Boxing workouts are the most important of course, but saying that weights "help very little, if at all" is just crap. The last part "only after you've gotten real good" is ridiculous. To reach a level of weight training that is effective for an advanced athlete ("real good"), you need years of experience with lifting, just like you need years of experience to train like a "real good" boxer. If you don't start out with the weights early, like you suggest, then you'll have to start out at a novice level, when you're already a good fighter. This means 2 things:
1. You won't get the optimal effect of your weight training until at least 2 years after you start, which could be by the end of your career.
2. It takes a long time for your body to learn to adapt to weight training when you're new at it. that means that you need more time for restitution in the beginning. If you're a "real good" fighter, you need to train a lot more than you do your first 2 years, which means you don't have that time to rest.

Weight training and boxing training needs to follow each other. Train both like a novice when you are a novice, that way you'll be "real good" at both at the same time.

[Buckfever]

Hey it's just my opinion. But 95% of the guys who take up boxing never get good enough so that additional strength can be put to use. And a lot of what I see is that they spend too much time building up strength that they can not use and it takes away from them learning how to box. For most guys it just becomes a workout and they never come to appreciate the skills. Hell most guys never even learn how to throw a jab properly. Most guys wouldn't even be able to hit a decent boxer. What good is the strength going to do.

The other problem that I have with the focus on lifting is that strong guys learn to rely on their strength to throw and it seriously interfers with them learning how to throw properly. It makes them real slow.

JMO though.

[PunchDrunk]

Hey it's just my opinion. But 95% of the guys who take up boxing never get good enough so that additional strength can be put to use. And a lot of what I see is that they spend too much time building up strength that they can not use and it takes away from them learning how to box. For most guys it just becomes a workout and they never come to appreciate the skills. Hell most guys never even learn how to throw a jab properly. Most guys wouldn't even be able to hit a decent boxer. What good is the strength going to do.
JMO though.

You're right, most guys don't have what it takes to be a fighter. But that has nothing to do with whether they weight train or not that's a totally different issue. You can't give people training advice, based on the fact that they'll never make it anyway. Well, maybe you can, but I tell people what the optimal way to do things is, and then it's up to them to make the most of it.

The other problem that I have with the focus on lifting is that strong guys learn to rely on their strength to throw and it seriously interfers with them learning how to throw properly. It makes them real slow.

Again, some people aren't cut out for fighting, so they focus on the wrong things, like size and looking tough (as opposed to BEING tough). But that doesn't mean you should tell them not to do something that can and should be a part of a balanced fighters training.

All boxers don't become "strong guys" that "rely on their strength" because lifting weights is 20% of their training regimen. My fighters train weights under the principles I outline on this board, and in the two years I've been head coach, every single one of them has become stronger, faster, better stamina, and all round better boxers. Because we work on everything a fighter needs to be complete. Hell, 3 of them have even moved DOWN a division. What we use the strength gains for, is to develop EXPLOSIVENESS and SPEED. It works.

To sum it up, the guys you're referring to, are the guys who don't know what they're doing, training wise, and should certainly be used as an example. An example of how not to do it, but to go as far as saying that means you shouldn't lift weights at all is just plain wrong, and betrays your ignorance on the subject, to bequite honest with you...

[spinksjinx]

You're right, most guys don't have what it takes to be a fighter. But that has nothing to do with whether they weight train or not that's a totally different issue. You can't give people training advice, based on the fact that they'll never make it anyway. Well, maybe you can, but I tell people what the optimal way to do things is, and then it's up to them to make the most of it.



Again, some people aren't cut out for fighting, so they focus on the wrong things, like size and looking tough (as opposed to BEING tough). But that doesn't mean you should tell them not to do something that can and should be a part of a balanced fighters training.

All boxers don't become "strong guys" that "rely on their strength" because lifting weights is 20% of their training regimen. My fighters train weights under the principles I outline on this board, and in the two years I've been head coach, every single one of them has become stronger, faster, better stamina, and all round better boxers. Because we work on everything a fighter needs to be complete. Hell, 3 of them have even moved DOWN a division. What we use the strength gains for, is to develop EXPLOSIVENESS and SPEED. It works.

To sum it up, the guys you're referring to, are the guys who don't know what they're doing, training wise, and should certainly be used as an example. An example of how not to do it, but to go as far as saying that means you shouldn't lift weights at all is just plain wrong, and betrays your ignorance on the subject, to bequite honest with you...

In boxing, weights might seem like an added advantage to some. But you dont need weights to be a succesful boxer...

Would you say Roy Jones/Oscar De La Hoya/Hagler/Chavez/Ali/Marciano/Robinson/Dempsey were all subpar fighters because they didnt lift weights in their careers?????

Weights are not necessary and are not a vital part in boxing training. Most definately when each person/body responds differently.

When I have weak punches come through the gym, one of the first things I teach them is the art of short punching and getting the most out of their punches...

Every person trains differently and believes in their own methods and they work for them. You cant give everyone the same advice and expect it to work. I dont think you need to belittle somebody on the boards either over a subject that is the basis of trial and error.

[Buckfever]

"An example of how not to do it, but to go as far as saying that means you shouldn't lift weights at all is just plain wrong, and betrays your ignorance on the subject, to bequite honest with you..."

I appreciate your perspective and I didn't expect you would take it so personally.
I just don't agree with you.

I think that anyone can learn to strike properly and can learn the sweet science of boxing. It is the only discipline in which striking properly is actually taught. Also the timing, of learning to get your punches off and moving defensively and then countering. This is an amazing thing to learn. From my point of view, again just my opinion, the ultimate expression of athleticism. It is true that not many will have the raw talent to become excellent fighters, nor the disposition. But a lot of guys can learn and get to the point that they gain an appreciation of just how amazing the skills are.

My comments were extreme not to undermine your training approach, or anyone elses, who feels that weights are beneficial, but to emphasize that it is the learning of the necessary skills that should be focused on.

He's 6'4" and 310lbs. I guess I don't see as him needing to gain mass at this point, I think that it will likely hurt a guy, that size especially. But again that's just my opinion and you're right he might be the exception.

[PunchDrunk]

"An example of how not to do it, but to go as far as saying that means you shouldn't lift weights at all is just plain wrong, and betrays your ignorance on the subject, to bequite honest with you..."

I appreciate your perspective and I didn't expect you would take it so personally.
I just don't agree with you.

I think that anyone can learn to strike properly and can learn the sweet science of boxing. It is the only discipline in which striking properly is actually taught. Also the timing, of learning to get your punches off and moving defensively and then countering. This is an amazing thing to learn. From my point of view, again just my opinion, the ultimate expression of athleticism. It is true that not many will have the raw talent to become excellent fighters, nor the disposition. But a lot of guys can learn and get to the point that they gain an appreciation of just how amazing the skills are.

My comments were extreme not to undermine your training approach, or anyone elses, who feels that weights are beneficial, but to emphasize that it is the learning of the necessary skills that should be focused on.

He's 6'4" and 310lbs. I guess I don't see as him needing to gain mass at this point, I think that it will likely hurt a guy, that size especially. But again that's just my opinion and you're right he might be the exception.

I'm not talking anout gaining mass, so I guess we're miscommunicating a bit.

I do agree that learning the skill of boxing is the most important thing, of course. I just don't think it's helpful to say "don't lift weights, it'll make you slow," when a guy is asking about how to do weights properly for boxing. Neither you nor I know what this guy focuses on in his training, so answering the question would be the most constructive thing to do.

On the subject of learning how to punch properly, believe me, there are people who just can't. Some people are so unbelievably slow, it looks like a turtle. Boxing does take talent. Physical and pschological, and some people don't have it.

[PunchDrunk]

In boxing, weights might seem like an added advantage to some. But you dont need weights to be a succesful boxer...

Would you say Roy Jones/Oscar De La Hoya/Hagler/Chavez/Ali/Marciano/Robinson/Dempsey were all subpar fighters because they didnt lift weights in their careers?????

First of all, I know for a fact that De La Hoya and RJJ lifted weights. Second, of course you can be a great fighter without the weights, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have been even better with weights. Your argument is what is called a strawman.

Weights are not necessary and are not a vital part in boxing training. Most definately when each person/body responds differently.

Weights aren't vital? Well, you can become a world class fighter without the use of a heavy bag, does that mean you'd want to leave it out? Again, a strawman argument.

When I have weak punches come through the gym, one of the first things I teach them is the art of short punching and getting the most out of their punches...

Which trainer doesn't?

Every person trains differently and believes in their own methods and they work for them. You cant give everyone the same advice and expect it to work. I dont think you need to belittle somebody on the boards either over a subject that is the basis of trial and error.

You can ONLY give everyone basic advice as to how things work, and then they're gonna have to apply it to their real live situation. How is telling people that they shouldn't do weights at all because it makes them slow any more valid than telling them HOW to do weights the right way? Facts are that correct weight training will make you faster and more explosive. Saying the opposite shows ignorance. I think I put it bluntly, but respectfully, and no offence was meant by what I said. Buckfever didn't seem to take offence, so why should you?

Look, all I'm saying is that weight training can be a valuable tool for any athlete, and dismissing it categorically (like Buckfever did) is wrong. To get optimal results, can be complicated, and needs to be adapted for the individual boxer, but that is not the point we were debating.

[NJFighter91]

Weights are gonna make you muscle bound and slow and stiff. Don't do them. Unless you wanna not be able to wipe your own ass from all the stiffness and big muscles, I recommend not to do weights at all.

[Kayo]

Weights are gonna make you muscle bound and slow and stiff. Don't do them. Unless you wanna not be able to wipe your own ass from all the stiffness and big muscles, I recommend not to do weights at all.

thats one of your ******est posts sorry...you dont automaticaly become "stiff" when you start lifting weights. If you lift explosively for strength you wont get slower either

[PunchDrunk]

thats one of your ******est posts sorry...you dont automaticaly become "stiff" when you start lifting weights. If you lift explosively for strength you wont get slower either

Notice the smiley at the bottom? He had me going for a few seconds there too