thoughts on overtraining....

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(I never stated that there was anything wrong with fasted training, i actually think it is a good thing to "OVER STRESS" the body from time to time!)..

I am not sure what you mean by, it didn't work? I am always in condition, i don't train to get in shape! Of course performance is going to decrease under a fasted state, but when i went back to training normally? I felt better than ever, because my body had mostly adapted to training in a fasted state!

Training and lifestyle to a certain extent can also have a effect on your gene expression! That is why great athletes can suddenly become morbidly obese, when they stop training.

Also i think its really weak the way you have to accuse every athlete of being on performance enhancing drugs! Sort it of man, that says a lot about your own determination!

You are so naive, wake up. That man is on steroids big time.

[PRINCEKOOL]

You are so naive, wake up. That man is on steroids big time.

Herchel Walker is not on steroids, i am not sure why people within the boxing world worship steroids! In the long term they actually age you faster, due to shutting down your own production of hormones! and creating toxic metabolites that stress your internal organs. Herchel Walker at 55 years of age, still looks really young and is in immense shape!

Most steroid abusers gradually get weaker and weaker! this is because this hormone receptors are mashed up, and their body biologically has become completely lazy....

[AddiX]

Autophagy is one of the reasons as to why exercise is good for you in stints! It is a biological process which is up-regulated through exercise in general! but training in a fasted state up-regulates it further more etc

I Didnt know anything about this so I did some research on this, for about a hour and a half.

The research and evidence on this is still in it's beginner stages from what I gather. There is also no evidence that IM makes autophagy anymore efficient. Your body will go through autophagy naturally without IM. So its possible that while you may force it to activate, that someone who doesn't force will still go through more autophagy stages throughout the day.

Also no evidence that IM fasting even will cause autophagy. It seems like your body needs to be in a starvation state to really speed up the process, which IM fasting wouldn't cause.

But props for looking for new ways to improve yourself, and paying attention to new studies. I'll be looking into this more though, so thx for the introduction to it.

My father swears by fasting for a day or two at least once a month for health reasons.

[PRINCEKOOL]

I Didnt know anything about this so I did some research on this, for about a hour and a half.

The research and evidence on this is still in it's beginner stages from what I gather. There is also no evidence that IM makes autophagy anymore efficient. Your body will go through autophagy naturally without IM. So its possible that while you may force it to activate, that someone who doesn't force will still go through more autophagy stages throughout the day.

Also no evidence that IM fasting even will cause autophagy. It seems like your body needs to be in a starvation state to really speed up the process, which IM fasting wouldn't cause.

But props for looking for new ways to improve yourself, and paying attention to new studies. I'll be looking into this more though, so thx for the introduction to it.

My father swears by fasting for a day or two at least once a month for health reasons.

Exercise has been proven to up-regulated autophagy, it is one of the reasons as to why exercise is good for you! But yes overall, FASTED training i just think may be good for you from time to time! To shock your body, and show it a different kind of acute stress! Like i stated before after 3 months of fasted training, when i went back to normal training i could complete my workouts faster if necessary. Part of this was probably extra mental strength, and apart of this was probably[/B] due to my body utilizing pre-workout nutrients more efficiently! But overall let me make this clear? Your performance in a fasted state will decrease! For me it was not about improving performance during workouts, it was about training my muscles at becoming more efficient Long Term. And its obvious as to when you force your body to complete workouts in a fasted state, your body is going to try its best to become more efficient. When i train now i only drink water, and i have always did this! Sometimes you can see people working out and they feel a need to constantly be guzzling a powerade's or some sort of pre workout drinks! In my opinion they have to do this because? there bodies are inefficient! at utilizing fuel.

Exercise induces autophagy in peripheral tissues and in the brain

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3463459/

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Overtraining is real.
Some of the symptoms are chronic fatigue, chronic pain in tendons and muscles even if you haven't really trained trained that part of your body or the certain muscle group that you have trained just won't recover, trouble sleeping and a raised rest heart rate. I have gotten myself to the point of chronic pains, raised heart rate and trouble sleeping but i have always recovered after a rest day and with a couple of easier training days.

A friend of mine got herself to a chronic fatigue syndrome and it took her a long time to recover from it her rest heart rate got really high and she was nauseous all the time.

It depends a lot on the individual how much is overtraining and how much is undertraining. Kind of like a learning to walk before running thing. If you're not used to training a lot you really shouldn't start training all out all the time. And the amount of training you can take depends on your genetics and over all situation in life too for example if you have a stressfull and physical job you might need more time to recover than if you're in a ''easy'' job that is not that physical. My friend exercices a lot and she has a track and field background so her body is used to working out a lot but even she had her limit.

Professional atheletes can train as much as 6-10 hours a day from what i have found out and they can do it because their bodies have gotten used to it from years of training and adding to quantity little by little. Also because they don't have to work so they can recover from those almost insane training sessions.

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Autophagy is one of the reasons as to why exercise is good for you in stints! It is a biological process which is up-regulated through exercise in general! but training in a fasted state up-regulates it further more etc

Intermittent fasting = Broscience.

[HedonisticFrog]

Exercise has been proven to up-regulated autophagy, it is one of the reasons as to why exercise is good for you! But yes overall, FASTED training i just think may be good for you from time to time! To shock your body, and show it a different kind of acute stress! Like i stated before after 3 months of fasted training, when i went back to normal training i could complete my workouts faster if necessary. Part of this was probably extra mental strength, and apart of this was probably[/B] due to my body utilizing pre-workout nutrients more efficiently! But overall let me make this clear? Your performance in a fasted state will decrease! For me it was not about improving performance during workouts, it was about training my muscles at becoming more efficient Long Term. And its obvious as to when you force your body to complete workouts in a fasted state, your body is going to try its best to become more efficient. When i train now i only drink water, and i have always did this! Sometimes you can see people working out and they feel a need to constantly be guzzling a powerade's or some sort of pre workout drinks! In my opinion they have to do this because? there bodies are inefficient! at utilizing fuel.

Exercise induces autophagy in peripheral tissues and in the brain

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3463459/

Autophagy is just the breakdown of cellular components in order to reuse the amino acids and other components into other things. It isn't detoxing you. Cell receptors aren't toxins. Of course this is increased when you fast, you lack nutrients and autophagy is just trying to make up the difference.

Steroids don't make you less receptive to hormones over time. That's just ridiculous. Hormone receptors are mashed up? Really?

You probably think that Evander Holyfield never took steroids either since he maintained his muscle mass until he retired.

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Overtraining seems to be the buzzword at the moment. how common do you think this is and do you feel its exaggerated? boxers seem to train lots and dont overtrain, or seem to be in phenomenal shape. How likely is it for the average joe to overtrain and what lengths would you have to go to achieve this? Have any of you experienced the symptoms of overtraining before? Im not a boxer but i play football and do lots of exercise/strength training on top of that, its always something thats in the back of my mind and the internet doesnt provide much clarity on it, some say its easy to do whilst others say its pretty much a myth. What do people think?

Over training doesn't occur in sports like basketball,football or soccer. Those athletes play regularly. Boxers,mma fighters and marathon runners are trying to peak for 1 day and sometimes they peak to early.

[GTTofAK]

Over training doesn't occur in sports like basketball,football or soccer. Those athletes play regularly. Boxers,mma fighters and marathon runners are trying to peak for 1 day and sometimes they peak to early.

Soccer and basketball are primarily aerobic sports. Over-training is really neural fatigue. The more taxing the sport and training for the sport is on the nervous system the more you risk over-training.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Autophagy is just the breakdown of cellular components in order to reuse the amino acids and other components into other things. It isn't detoxing you. Cell receptors aren't toxins. Of course this is increased when you fast, you lack nutrients and autophagy is just trying to make up the difference.

Steroids don't make you less receptive to hormones over time. That's just ridiculous. Hormone receptors are mashed up? Really?

You probably think that Evander Holyfield never took steroids either since he maintained his muscle mass until he retired.

Autophagy clears cell debris and damaged components, which build up inside of your cells and impedes their function! Autopahy basically clears unwanted metabolic garbage etc Its one of the main benefits of exercise, you should of learnt this on your university course.....

Listen mate, stop talking to me! I have already taken you apart once before on this part of the forum.