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    Hey, just wanted to get a second opinion from people who train in combat sports and possibly experienced a lot of recurrent injuries.

    So 3 years ago I decided to whip myself into shape and got a muay thai membership, morning after 10th class i woke up with slight pain in left achilless tendon, which I ignored (big mistake) went to a pretty intense yoga class, and basically limped for 2 months, and did 4 months of eccentric heel drops for like 30-40 min total twice a day until the problem went away. Lucky me, since I've met a couple people who could never cure their Achilles tendon.

    Knowing about my Achilles's heel, haha, i decided to take up running, building up to 15km runs over couple years, even running through winter once a week, just to keep my achilless strong.

    Get rotator cuff injury in yoga class jumping into handstand, my mistake for overdoing it, but didn't hurt at the time but as with most tendon injuries it's the next day I felt the pain, buncha physio, a year later still feel slight pangs of it but can do pretty much anything.

    Took up Krav about a year ago, 4-5 classes a week, 15 min warm up, 45 striking, which my body could handle better than muay thai, that's 45min warm up and 45 striking. Really liked striking classes (mostly western boxing, very little focus on kicks) long hand combos. After about a year of krav, ate a kick in the knee during light sparring (my fault went to check the kick too late so got caught in a weird moment place), which I made the mistake of ignoring, kept running, then did a squat during warm up and felt sharp pain, same mistake as achilless tendon, should've learned to take time off as soon as it happens. about 3 months of eccentric single legs squats on bad knee, i can fully lower myself to perpendicular almost pain free, huge improvement over when i could bend my knee maybe 45 degrees with sharp pain, another few months and it'll clear up i think.

    So figured during time off I can do a bit of weightlifting and heavy bag work, throw a right cross that's a bit too hard and don't adjust my position due to bad knee, and hyperextend (my fault again) rookie mistake. Couple months off still have mild pain in tricep from hyperextension when I do a push day at the gym which i stopped doing, can do pull exercises fine, but avoiding pull ups until elbow is 100%.

    So go back to sparring class in Krav, since my knee is almost good, everything's fine, no knee pain after class, didn't hypextend my elbow (taped it up to avoid being able to hyperextend it). Pretty happy I can train at a moderate pace and work around my injuries.

    Wake up next day with mild achilless tendon pain on same side as I used to have 3 years ago, guessing from all the bursty movements during sparring. And it's just annoying to me since I could run 10 miles on it pain free, but taking a few months off seems to have made a problem i thought i cured for good come back.

    TLDR;
    Sorry for long post, but I just don't know if my body is not cut out for athleticism, or if i don't have enough muscles to protect my tendons from over use injuries, and taking time off combat sports and focusing on weight training for maybe 6 months or so is something to consider? I'm 35, 6'3" 170lb, don't really care for muscle, and would rather spend the time on technique development, but the injuries are just killing my training. Am I too old for this or what do you guys think?

    ps. take 1500mg epa/dha fish oil a day, good vitamin c, Glucosamine & Chondroitin, and alfalfa supplement all of which should help with tendon injuries but i still get hurt like a mofo. drink 2L of water a day.

    pps. I feel like i've seen every doctor (advice of doing nothing, which current research into tendon injuries says that's teh worst thing you could do), have been using up all my physio benefits in work package for past 3 years, gone to osteopath, and gonna try kineseologist next.

    any insight from injury prone people would be apreciated, i do realize a lot of the injuries are from overuse, but at the same time i don't notice them until a day after of going too hard, and then it's months and months of rehab.
    Last edited by xenogrant; 07-04-2016, 03:31 PM.

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    Originally posted by xenogrant View Post
    Hey, just wanted to get a second opinion from people who train in combat sports and possibly experienced a lot of recurrent injuries.

    didn't hypextend my elbow (taped it up to avoid being able to hyperextend it). Pretty happy I can train at a moderate pace

    TLDR;
    Sorry for long post, but I just don't know if my body is not cut out for athleticism, or if i don't have enough muscles to protect my tendons from over use injuries, and taking time off combat sports and focusing on weight training for maybe 6 months or so is something to consider? I'm 35, 6'3" 170lb, don't really care for muscle, and would rather spend the time on technique development, but the injuries are just killing my training. Am I too old for this or what do you guys think?

    ps. take 1500mg epa/dha fish oil a day, good vitamin c, Glucosamine & Chondroitin, and alfalfa supplement all of which should help with tendon injuries but i still get hurt like a mofo. drink 2L of water a day.

    pps. I feel like i've seen every doctor (advice of doing nothing, which current research into tendon injuries says that's teh worst thing you could do), have been using up all my physio benefits in work package for past 3 years, gone to osteopath, and gonna try kineseologist next.

    any insight from injury prone people would be apreciated, i do realize a lot of the injuries are from overuse, but at the same time i don't notice them until a day after of going too hard, and then it's months and months of rehab.

    You probably have some chronic achilless tendon injury. That **** is serious .


    I have the same thing, in an early state (just injured 3 weeks ago for the first time) and I read something about chronic injury has to be cured by getting surgery. But do your own reasearch and go see a doctor. Maybe even a specialist for achilles tendon.

    EDIT:

    I dont think that I understood your post completely but you said something about it being better when you rested for 3 months.

    And after that rest you probably still have problems after taking up training, right?

    If thats the case you should strengthen your tendon. It takes a lot of time so keep that in mind. Maybe even consider seeing a
    physiotherapist and get a good training plan from him.
    Last edited by BuakawBanchamek; 07-05-2016, 01:32 PM.

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    • #3
      I'm very tall with small joints and am highly susceptible to tendon injuries. My muscles are always overpowering my tendons and I regularly get new types of tendonitis. The best ways I've found to avoid injury and deal with it when it arises are;
      -Always warm-up. Not stretching, just warming up.
      -Ease into new exercises until your tendons and supporting muscles build strength (takes weeks).
      -STOP when you feel "that" pain, or do some exercises that use opposing muscles to try to stretch it out.
      -Ice
      -Cissus herb (Supercissus) has been a miracle worker for me. My chronic achilles injury of 5 years has been gone in the 6 years I've been using cissus.
      -Rest tendons. They take time to heal. But, don't neglect exercise once they've healed as mild exercise tends to help keep chronic tendons at bay.

      Hope that helps.

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      • #4
        I've cured my achiless tendonitis with an eccentric heel drop program, i know i said it's coming back but it's been a year or two where i forgot i had it, and now i took a week off and it's totally gone will go back to eccentric heel drops for a few months just to make sure it can handle the loads again, but i'd highly recommend it.

        Elbow/tricep pain is the one thing i can't find a good solution for.

        Ordered Tendlite to heat up and improve ciruclation a few inches under the skin, and doing forearm stretches and using theStick foam roller lacrose ball to loosen up my arm but it's still lingering.

        Thanks for the input

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        • #5
          Overworking yourself, using bad technique, not letting your body heal, and just training straight up reckless is the Only possible explanations I can come up with.

          We all see those guys in the gym who constantly do **** wrong, or push themselves too hard non stop, I think your that guy...

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          • #6
            Look into taking collagen supplements and also bone broth. They are supposed to help strengthen connective tissues.

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            • #7
              Im having the same problem with my wrist.

              My favorite punch is the hook. Like how Cotto throws it, i do it with my fist perpendicular to the ground... I've been doing it for years already but this time the part of my wrist under the pinky finger is starting to hurt. I cant even do bench press cus of the pain.

              My doctor saw my x ray and he said there was nothing wrong with it. I just have to let it rest and do some exercises to make it stronger. The problem is every time I rest for 2-3 weeks the pain will come back only my 2nd or 3rd training day...

              How can i fix this? Thanks

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              • #8
                sounds like you are doing too much work even within your rehab, eccentrics should be a light trigger to help remodel the tendon, shouldnt be doing it for 30 odd minutes twice a day imo. As you probably know tendon injuries are mainly the result of overuse, however doing some strengthening exercises directly for the tendons will help once pain subsides as in theory, they can cope with more 'use' if that makes sense. There may be a biomechanical issue as to why you keep getting recurrent achilles problems in terms of movement etc so i would go and see a physio if its causing you this amount of distress.

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                • #9
                  Hey man,
                  Didn't read all of ur thread (friggin long lol) so forgive me if you've tried this..

                  I had problems with my Achilles' tendon. Was after I increased my training too. More running etc.

                  What was happening was my calves were super tight and knotted, even after all my stretching. I had to foam roll/deep tissue them. Was friggin agony, but since then (maintaining foam rolling) I've never had any issues.

                  My advice, get a tennis ball, put it under your calf muscles, when u feel a tight spot/hurts. Relax ur leg and apply pressure, will hurt like hell for a minute but should dissipate. Repeat this as often as possible on your calves. Everyday at least. After a week you should feel much better. If tennis ball ain't doing it, use hockey/golf ball. Remember, you MUST relax the muscle while doing it and breath.

                  Google: fascia release
                  Gd luck
                  Last edited by J.Dempsey; 07-16-2016, 04:23 PM.

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                  • #10
                    gotta work on your technique brah. gotta make sure you're moving your body as a whole.

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