Punching the bag on the end of the punches......

[MrMayhem]

You ask for help, then you tell the people that are trying to help you that "you know better than them?" What Ray said is ultimately true, you can make a goal of fully extending your punches all day and see where that gets you. I forsee hyper extended elbows and tired arms from missed punches in your future. Not saying that your theory is wrong, but try to get some work in with a trainer and he can tell you better.

[AlexKid]

You ask for help, then you tell the people that are trying to help you that "you know better than them?" What Ray said is ultimately true, you can make a goal of fully extending your punches all day and see where that gets you. I forsee hyper extended elbows and tired arms from missed punches in your future. Not saying that your theory is wrong, but try to get some work in with a trainer and he can tell you better.

hyper extended elbows come from using muscle u shouldn't use, I do that on occasion but its a separate issue

If you punch properly and miss their should be 0 chance of hyper extension when u miss

Its not about experience vs inexperience, its about knowledge, and who knows best regardless of their experience, plenty of inexperienced boxers can throw punches with form better than Foremans despite foreman having far more experience.

All that matters is what you know for this question.

If I have got it wrong, you should easily be able to BACK UP YOUR REASONS WITH WHY, rather than get upset because I dont take your word for it and argue back.

If a noob does that to me in any area im good at I explain to him exactly why he is wrong.....

....You did do that but when you did YOU got it wrong, and highlighted that you wernt a great puncher.

.......So NOW you have to explain further as to WHY you are right (which you cant do because you are wrong and messed up, so you've resorted to emotional manipulations)


In conclusion you are wrong because the body and the weight of the body should still be behind the punch when the arm reaches full extension, the FACT that you said the arm is just flung off by the body without connecting the rotating bodies weight TELLS ME IN IRON CLAD FORM, that Ray is a fraud that doesn't have a ****ing clue how to punch properly.

Which means all his other stories of how he is a trainer are BS too most likely but we were never fooled by his troll game anyway, Im talking to the narcissist behind the account and many accounts.

[PivotandRoll]

"To get the most power on a straight punch its important to hit them right at or near full arm extension".

Wrong again little fellow!
If your fist can make contact when its 70% extended and your looking to punch "through" the target you will land with more power compared to a fully extended punch. Fully extended punchers are basically arm punches. Your power has already moved through your motion and your left with a jabs impact!

"rear hooks" I'm almost afraid to ask what they are! hahaha..is it fishing?

Seriously alex why not search out a real trainer and learn the basics?
You can't learn to box off a forum!
Ray.

Wow..how boxing trainers think their bull**** circumvents physics is beyond me...The most power is when you are fully extended because that's when your entire body weight is behind it....Some old guy who owns a gym says something and this guys thinks its gospel.

[AlexKid]

Wow..how boxing trainers think their bull**** circumvents physics is beyond me...The most power is when you are fully extended because that's when your entire body weight is behind it....Some old guy who owns a gym says something and this guys thinks its gospel.

LOL Very funny "pivotnroll"


Ray knows how to heavy push someone, maybe he would make a better sumo trainer


Stop trolling guy ffs!

[PivotandRoll]

hyper extended elbows come from using muscle u shouldn't use, I do that on occasion but its a separate issue

If you punch properly and miss their should be 0 chance of hyper extension when u miss

Its not about experience vs inexperience, its about knowledge, and who knows best regardless of their experience, plenty of inexperienced boxers can throw punches with form better than Foremans despite foreman having far more experience.

All that matters is what you know for this question.

If I have got it wrong, you should easily be able to BACK UP YOUR REASONS WITH WHY, rather than get upset because I dont take your word for it and argue back.

If a noob does that to me in any area im good at I explain to him exactly why he is wrong.....

....You did do that but when you did YOU got it wrong, and highlighted that you wernt a great puncher.

.......So NOW you have to explain further as to WHY you are right (which you cant do because you are wrong and messed up, so you've resorted to emotional manipulations)


In conclusion you are wrong because the body and the weight of the body should still be behind the punch when the arm reaches full extension, the FACT that you said the arm is just flung off by the body without connecting the rotating bodies weight TELLS ME IN IRON CLAD FORM, that Ray is a fraud that doesn't have a ****ing clue how to punch properly.

Which means all his other stories of how he is a trainer are BS too most likely but we were never fooled by his troll game anyway, Im talking to the narcissist behind the account and many accounts.

Shoot your punch straight from your chin, work on your arms rotation during the punch, a lot of it is in the shoulders and they should be rotating with every punch, but these are right to an extent. You can't throw every punch like this because it's incredibly tiresome ad downright predictable. The man to watch is Kovalev...Or Manny hes amazing at it and it's basically where his speed comes from. But you are right Alex.

[Ray Corso]

Believe what you want I could give a ****........bottom line is I've done it, was paid to do it, and was successful at it.
Your kids on a forum talking about it!!

[juggernaut666]

You're breaking the chain of kinetic energy when you fully extend as your elbow is doing the snap at that point. It's an arm punch. You might think it's adding speed and velocity to your punch but thats only because of the strain you're feeling on the elbow at full extenstion.


Even if you don't agree with Ray on his opinions about fighters or anything like that he still knows the sport intimately not just as a fan/boxer but as a trainer who has been around the game probably as long as some of us have beeen alive. This is a basic fundemental that you shouldn't be f ucking up on (the arm extension). You're going to ruin your elbow doing that... Not just that but how are you even maintaining your balance through more than one or two punches without properly using your body? Maybe it's just my thinking but properly throwing punches at least with me is a HUGE part of my foundation and lets me move my legs and upper body/head "seamlessly" between and with punches (I realize I'm not floyd mayweather jr but Im talking in general ).


Why are you only wrapping your wrist when the fear is breaking your hand? Where does that line of thinking come from? You're being stubborn at this point. Maybe you don't want to join a gym to learn proper form and fundementals but at least take some of the advice you get here. You can't learn how to box off a forum but at least take care of your hands/body and not wrapping your hands properly can become an issue in the future (If you are training often...I guess f youre just an occasional type then your hands might be ok if youre lucky and dont throw a half assed punch that lands on the outer knuckles and ruins your form and hand...). Some of us have had formal training, have competed, or have even trained others so swallow your pride man and at LEAST take some of our advice. I don't mean any offense here but try it out for a while. If you need the extra extension on the punch then step in a little... You want the force to be released into your opponent/bag and not disperse at your elbow. Go 70-80% of extension and you shouldnt even feel the punch much in the elbow you'll feel it in a bigger group of muscles (Itll just feel right and heavier)

A hand break is usually due to weak wrists that's why you wrap your wrists ...it supports the overall structure of the punch and inreases force by less bending of the hand..you don't break a hand usually unless the wrist flops..

[juggernaut666]

I know better than you.

If you go through too much, you turn it into a push, because the arm and body reaches its highest speed at the end of the punch, it builds and builds until that point.

So if you try to go through the bag too much you never reach your max speed.

If you hit the surface of the bag only you wont do any damage because you need to transmit the force effectively and you cant do taht unless you form a solid connection with the target.

So the ideal is about a 3 inch penetration on a hard bag. (No thats not a Freudian slip)

Problem is if the bag is soft you cant do a 3 inch penetration, because you go 2 inches of cushion before it starts to get solid and if its hard enough it hurts like hell to punch it full force esp with rear hooks

wow you actually got one up on OLD ray.. which doesnt do him favors....however you are correct straight punches on the outside of the delivery does do more damage because the shock absorbtion transfers to the end of the fist not thru it unlike hooks. He should know if his favorite fighter is Ali where you can see off end of his straight jabs/right hands nad punishes his opponents right off the end where the power is transferred. but than again RAY doesn't learn he just TRIES to out do...

you don't get more power going thru the target off jabs the power is off the end of that type of punch....boxing 101 RAY..how much are you going to pay me for my info I give you daily..I OWN YOU remember that ...?.

[Mr.MojoRisin']

Wow..how boxing trainers think their bull**** circumvents physics is beyond me...The most power is when you are fully extended because that's when your entire body weight is behind it....Some old guy who owns a gym says something and this guys thinks its gospel.

You obviously have never trained in boxing before. If you had you would simply be able to feel what it is like to make contact at the end of your punches. I train regularly on the heavy bag and I could tell from the first time I laid leather on the bag that if I hit it at the end on my punch I won't get as much power as if I made contact at a shorter part of the punch. If you keep hitting at the end of the punch, you won't work on power (at least not as effectively) and the workout will become a complete cardio workout. You might as well shadow box or do roadwork.

[AlexKid]

You obviously have never trained in boxing before. If you had you would simply be able to feel what it is like to make contact at the end of your punches. I train regularly on the heavy bag and I could tell from the first time I laid leather on the bag that if I hit it at the end on my punch I won't get as much power as if I made contact at a shorter part of the punch. If you keep hitting at the end of the punch, you won't work on power (at least not as effectively) and the workout will become a complete cardio workout. You might as well shadow box or do roadwork.

You probably have poor use of the hips, my punches are heavy right till the very end.

If you connect too early its just a push, tahts why you crowd a fighter to take the power off his shots.

Dont you know anything? Troll?