"Injury" because of muscle soreness?

[BuakawBanchamek]

So I did last week a tough strength training.

Due to that I had a couple of days soreness in my shoulders and neck, quite strong but not too bad.

Anyway I was boxing the whole week, while having the soreness and as I
did power hooks with my coach my right shoulder really hurt.

Probably a light strain in my right shoulder, my weaker shoulder due to an injury last year which hasnt properly healed yet.

So my main question is now is the risk of injury higher when I got sore muscles and is it "dangerous" to box while having soreness?

You got equal experience?

[Redd Foxx]

Lactic acid soreness has little to do with injury, IMO. But, micro muscle tears from exercise need a chance to heal/create growth. Otherwise, you're over training and susceptible to injury. If you feel tendon irritation, REST. The longer you irritate a tendon the longer it takes to heal.

[loci]

i agree with redd foxx. you're probably doing too much than your body is prepared for. one should always have an adequate baseline of conditioning before incorporating strength training and allow adequate rest.

[BuakawBanchamek]

Lactic acid soreness has little to do with injury, IMO. But, micro muscle tears from exercise need a chance to heal/create growth. Otherwise, you're over training and susceptible to injury. If you feel tendon irritation, REST. The longer you irritate a tendon the longer it takes to heal.

Do you guys know how pros do it ?

I mean guys like GGG, Pacquiao and Floyd are training maybe 6-8 hours per day. 5-6 times a week.

And if I recall it correctly they are doing daily strength training
(of course not every muscle daily but distributed on different days)


I dont know if I got the answer already but I could imagine their body being on such an elite level that they dont get soreness anymore.

[Syf]

Do you guys know how pros do it ?

I mean guys like GGG, Pacquiao and Floyd are training maybe 6-8 hours per day. 5-6 times a week.

And if I recall it correctly they are doing daily strength training
(of course not every muscle daily but distributed on different days)


I dont know if I got the answer already but I could imagine their body being on such an elite level that they dont get soreness anymore.

There is a safe way to reach that type of peak..and there is an unsafe way. But no athlete, no matter how elite, is immune to soreness. There's muscle soreness two ways... as you break down tissue to build it stronger..and as muscle deteriorates and atrophies from not keeping the same pace as before. So..as you see.. it is a balance. The formula one type athletes have a more intense and finely tuned balance..but a balance it remains. What makes them have their names at the top of the Marquis is we don't hear about every ache and pain that they may be having. But as long as they are human..they will have them.

[RedZmaja]

There's no painless way to train boxing seriously, if your muscles hurt it's most likely a good thing, just make sure it's not tendon pain.

One thing you absolutely have to worry about if you train boxing is muscle imbalance. This happens if you continuously do the same exercises over and over again and you neglect other muscles.

You need to have a wide variety of exercises. You should do some stability exercises, some exercises with weights, calisthenics, plyometrics etc. Training just boxing all the time is bad for your muscle growth. Building muscles is not just for bodybuilding but to correct imbalances.

Personally I have days when I like to rest my hands from doing boxing-type stuff, on those days I do some roadwork, sprinting, skipping rope, footwork exercises etc.

Also, remember that every injury/pain is a chance to improve something else. If your right shoulder hurts than focus on jabs (if you're orthodox) and left hooks, a good exercise is to just jab the heavy bag for several rounds. I developed very good left hook to the body - left hook to the head combo when my right knuckles hurt.

[Redd Foxx]

Do you guys know how pros do it ?

I mean guys like GGG, Pacquiao and Floyd are training maybe 6-8 hours per day. 5-6 times a week.

And if I recall it correctly they are doing daily strength training
(of course not every muscle daily but distributed on different days)


I dont know if I got the answer already but I could imagine their body being on such an elite level that they dont get soreness anymore.

Have you seen guys do those ice baths?? That's the extent pro's go to in order to get soreness to subside. There's supplements like Sorenzyme which help. I like the soreness as it's like feedback from my body. Again, the only thing I'm really weary of is tendon pain. That will shut you down.

[BuakawBanchamek]

There's no painless way to train boxing seriously, if your muscles hurt it's most likely a good thing, just make sure it's not tendon pain.

One thing you absolutely have to worry about if you train boxing is muscle imbalance. This happens if you continuously do the same exercises over and over again and you neglect other muscles.

You need to have a wide variety of exercises. You should do some stability exercises, some exercises with weights, calisthenics, plyometrics etc. Training just boxing all the time is bad for your muscle growth. Building muscles is not just for bodybuilding but to correct imbalances.

Personally I have days when I like to rest my hands from doing boxing-type stuff, on those days I do some roadwork, sprinting, skipping rope, footwork exercises etc.

Also, remember that every injury/pain is a chance to improve something else. If your right shoulder hurts than focus on jabs (if you're orthodox) and left hooks, a good exercise is to just jab the heavy bag for several rounds. I developed very good left hook to the body - left hook to the head combo when my right knuckles hurt.

Thanks guys!

I truly have quite the imbalance due to prior training boxing.
Besides boxing I did have constantly trained abs but left the other muscles behind such as neck, back and legs.

And I can clearly feel the imbalance. I got a huge soreness in my legs as I did some strengh exercise + I got back pain due to not training it.

Anyway that helped me but I still am a little confused.

Would you guys training one the same day regular boxing (mids,bag sparring etc) if you got sore shoulders, neck, chest or whatever?#


Note:
As I got that strain I did at 2-3 pm strength training on neck and shoulders.
Had training for one hour at 5-6 pm and again boxing from 8-9:30 pm.

Maybe I overdid it too much on that day.

[RedZmaja]

Would you guys training one the same day regular boxing (mids,bag sparring etc) if you got sore shoulders, neck, chest or whatever?#

It depends what exactly you need to train for. If it's just recreational hobby and trying to get fit there's no use whatsoever to train when you're tired. I train 3-6 days a week, depends how I'm feeling.

I like to keep 18-24 hour break between training, I don't like to train twice a day.

What professional athletes are doing is essentialy unhealthy, that's why they're injured so much. They need to do it to be able to push themselves to the limit.

If you train regularly like at least 3 times a week you don't have to push yourself too hard, you'll have a healthy athletic body and good shape. Why would you need anything more?

Note:
As I got that strain I did at 2-3 pm strength training on neck and shoulders.
Had training for one hour at 5-6 pm and again boxing from 8-9:30 pm.

Maybe I overdid it too much on that day.

That's too much. Athletes who train 6 hours a day train more hours straight and have a big break between trainings. I'm not an expert on this but it seems to me that 1-2 hour break between the training is the worst beause you start training again when your body cools off and starts relaxing.

If you really have to train twice a day it should be something likes this. Wake up at 8am, make yourself a big breakfast with a lot of protein and carbs, then train 10.30-12am, eat after the training and go to sleep for an hour or two afterwards. Eat again after you wake up at say 3pm then another meal at 5-6pm and a late training at 8 or 9pm, eat before sleep.

If you're training so much you have to eat enough to fuel your body. Eat at least 5 times a day to keep metabolism going.

Also, do a lot of strecthing and make sure you're warmed up.

[BuakawBanchamek]

It depends what exactly you need to train for. If it's just recreational hobby and trying to get fit there's no use whatsoever to train when you're tired. I train 3-6 days a week, depends how I'm feeling.

I like to keep 18-24 hour break between training, I don't like to train twice a day.

What professional athletes are doing is essentialy unhealthy, that's why they're injured so much. They need to do it to be able to push themselves to the limit.

If you train regularly like at least 3 times a week you don't have to push yourself too hard, you'll have a healthy athletic body and good shape. Why would you need anything more?



That's too much. Athletes who train 6 hours a day train more hours straight and have a big break between trainings. I'm not an expert on this but it seems to me that 1-2 hour break between the training is the worst beause you start training again when your body cools off and starts relaxing.

If you really have to train twice a day it should be something likes this. Wake up at 8am, make yourself a big breakfast with a lot of protein and carbs, then train 10.30-12am, eat after the training and go to sleep for an hour or two afterwards. Eat again after you wake up at say 3pm then another meal at 5-6pm and a late training at 8 or 9pm, eat before sleep.

If you're training so much you have to eat enough to fuel your body. Eat at least 5 times a day to keep metabolism going.

Also, do a lot of strecthing and make sure you're warmed up.

My goal is to become a pro boxer.
I´m getting 16 next month, so I´m still young got plenty of time.
So I probably should watch for my body out. Can´t risk injury because of overtraining.

I´ve been to Banchamek Gym in Thailand last year, and stayed there for a week.

They did similar training routine:

about 1 hour run through Bankok in the morning.
After that training for 2-3 hours, then 6 hour break.

Then again 30 minutes run and 2-3 hours training.

Right now I do in total per week about 5 boxing session(1:30 hours) and about 4 strenght drills (1hour).

I´ll definitly be more careful to my body from now own.

Thank you