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  • Syf
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    #11
    Originally posted by thealfa
    As low a weight I got at 140? Diet? No way. I was on a ketogenic diet. That's a harsh diet tougher than fasting..
    Low carb diet tougher than vegetable juice fasting or water fasting? No way. I saw some menus for a ketogenic diet.. You can go to freakin Wendy's on that diet.

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    • thealfa
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      #12
      I'm looking into ZMA. All I know is I feel like **** when taking zinc on an empty stomach, so I would assume taking a ZMA on an empty stomach prior to sleep might make me feel like ****. I do take 50 mg zinc gluconate upon waking up AFTER breakfast. 50 mg is said to be the max dose one should take. I've read of others taking as much as 200 mg throughout the day. I'm just looking into ZMA right now and it seems interesting. I guess it's the combo that makes it special with magnesium aspartate and vitamin b6? I understand some B6 in supplements are not exactly using the active form of B6 which is pyridoxal-5-phosphate (p-5-p).

      Originally posted by AddiX
      First, 140 dead lifting 140? I know its not impossible, but that's pretty rare.

      And yeah, lack of sleep is probably a big part of it. Your hormones do most of it's regenerating during the last 3 hours of a 8 hour sleep. If you don't grt that deep rem sleep, you can cause all kinds of problems, including fat storage.

      I personally take zma to help increase the quality of my sleep, I absolutely love it.

      I don't know what your workouts are like, or diet.

      My recommendation is to keep your meals simple, eggs, meat, veggies. Add intense cardio to your weekly routine, (HIIT), I do 2 days of intense cardio, and 1 day of light cardio when cutting weight.
      Last edited by thealfa; 11-28-2015, 05:18 AM.

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      • Facade
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        #13
        Focus on the basics. All due respect, unless you are very very small: if you are 140 pounds and you still don't see any muscle, then the only answer can be that you do not have enough muscle mass. No amount of supplementation is going to change that, because something is going wrong at a more fundamental level. Something could be going wrong in the way you train or something could be going wrong in the way you cut weight. For example you don't just lose fat, you also lose muscle when you cut weight.

        If you were to also lose the fat you have at 140 pounds, it would make you look like someone who very recently visited a concentration camp.

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          #14
          Originally posted by thealfa
          I'm looking into ZMA. All I know is I feel like **** when taking zinc on an empty stomach, so I would assume taking a ZMA on an empty stomach prior to sleep might make me feel like ****. I do take 50 mg zinc gluconate upon waking up AFTER breakfast. 50 mg is said to be the max dose one should take. I've read of others taking as much as 200 mg throughout the day. I'm just looking into ZMA right now and it seems interesting. I guess it's the combo that makes it special with magnesium aspartate and vitamin b6? I understand some B6 in supplements are not exactly using the active form of B6 which is pyridoxal-5-phosphate (p-5-p).
          Takes 30 Min to absorb, take on an empty stomach then after 30 minutes have last meal of the day

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          • thealfa
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            #15
            lots of those boxers looks as if they visited a concentration camp. Look at Kostya Tszyu at 140. Not sure how Hatton or Gatti look "thick" at 140-147. I do not look "thick" at that weight. I'm 5'7". My mom told me I look very thin even when I was 150. LOL. It's because my over 400 pounds of deadlifting made my body absolute proportionate.

            Originally posted by Facade
            Focus on the basics. All due respect, unless you are very very small: if you are 140 pounds and you still don't see any muscle, then the only answer can be that you do not have enough muscle mass. No amount of supplementation is going to change that, because something is going wrong at a more fundamental level. Something could be going wrong in the way you train or something could be going wrong in the way you cut weight. For example you don't just lose fat, you also lose muscle when you cut weight.

            If you were to also lose the fat you have at 140 pounds, it would make you look like someone who very recently visited a concentration camp.

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            • thealfa
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              #16
              is ZMA a different compound than just a stack of zinc and magnesium?

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              • SUBZER0ED
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                #17
                Originally posted by Ryn0
                The 6pm rule has proven to be nothing but broscience, its the type of stuff you find in mens health that ignores real research. It's total calories in vs calories used during the day, sugary drinks and snacks should probably be cut out the diets entirely if he's trying to cut.

                Clenbuterol isn't a steroid hormone either, while it is banned in sports not everything banned comes under the banner of steroids, it decreases the rate at which protein is reduced in the muscle cell. Basically you can cut weight and still grow or maintain muscle mass (which is impossible to do otherwise). It forces your body to burn fat without dieting because it raises your body temp very slightly and to maintain this your body has to burn it's fat stores. Lots of people take clenbuterol after a steroid cycle thats probably why it gets thrown in there. It can have some side effects obviously because its still a prescription drug, so I wouldn't recommend anyone take it unless they knew what they were doing.
                Ok professor, the no sugary drinks and snacks thing worked for me, as I have visibly cut my body fat. Furthermore, I didn't name Clenbuterol specifically, I suggested avoidance of steroids period, because a poster suggested steroids. Clenbuterol is a powerful stimulant, similar to ephedrine. It can elevate heartbeats to dangerous levels. http://examine.com/supplements/clenbuterol/
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by SUBZER0ED
                  Ok professor, the no sugary drinks and snacks thing worked for me, as I have visibly cut my body fat./[/url]
                  Any form of cutback from an unhealthy diet the body will recognize, but really imo it's better not to have hardly any sugary snacks and drinks, barring what naturally occurs. But nothing with any added sugar...sugar and artificial sweeteners infusing all of our foods these days is the reason for the diabetes epidemic. People's pancreas are literally shutting down from too much sweet.

                  6 pm rule seems like more of a compromise to me. One shouldn't compromise with their health.

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                  • SUBZER0ED
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Syf
                    Any form of cutback from an unhealthy diet the body will recognize, but really imo it's better not to have hardly any sugary snacks and drinks, barring what naturally occurs. But nothing with any added sugar...sugar and artificial sweeteners infusing all of our foods these days is the reason for the diabetes epidemic. People's pancreas are literally shutting down from too much sweet.

                    6 pm rule seems like more of a compromise to me. One shouldn't compromise with their health.
                    My thing is actually 100%, no sugar added fruit juice. I held the argument that since there is no added sugar, it was ok to drink it anytime. Not so apparently. I've had a healthcare professional and a health buff point out to me that sugar is sugar, naturally occurring or added. I finally listened to their suggestion to cut the juice @ night with successful results. Since the body's rate of metabolism slows in the evening hours leading up to bedtime, it makes since to reduce the consumption of food/drinks which may be converted into fat. I agree that a cut of anything unhealthy is beneficial. The 6pm rule isn't a compromise if one doesn't "stock up" on fattening foods earlier in the day to make up for the cut in the evening hours.
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                    • Ryn0
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by SUBZER0ED
                      Ok professor, the no sugary drinks and snacks thing worked for me, as I have visibly cut my body fat. Furthermore, I didn't name Clenbuterol specifically, I suggested avoidance of steroids period, because a poster suggested steroids. Clenbuterol is a powerful stimulant, similar to ephedrine. It can elevate heartbeats to dangerous levels. http://examine.com/supplements/clenbuterol/
                      It might have worked for you but the fact that you are the type of person who looks after their body and would cut out snacks after 6pm probably helps you more than actually cutting out snacks after 6pm, there was actually a study on this phenomenon where people don't realize that the fact they care enough about their fitness and body to try these things is actually what helps them rather than these little tricks. It wasn't a dig at you (although you sure took it that way) but some of the stuff that floats around fitness forums that people read and take as truth without reading the science behind it.

                      Yeah, Clen can really mess you up but it's like anything, read the science take a safe dose and you'll be fine. I agree with you, HGH and steroids can really, really **** you up permanently, I remember a gym buddy I used to have started doing HGH and he started to get distended abs because his stomach had to grow in order to fit the new size from growth of his organs, put off completely after that.

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