Does the "Shoulder roll/Philly Shell" work in the Amateurs

[Bozbay]

Saw clips of Floyd using it in the amateur ranks to good effect, but less frequently. Is it good tool to use in amateur fights? I personally don't use it, I am just curious.

[Nathan Jarvis]

Saw clips of Floyd using it in the amateur ranks to good effect, but less frequently. Is it good tool to use in amateur fights? I personally don't use it, I am just curious.

Yea I'm wondering this as well. I think it could work but only with certain styles, and obviously you got to us it as a counter defense otherwise in the judges eyes it looks like your just taking punches. I guess the only real way to know if it works is to test it in sparring. I haven't seen many people use it in amateurs to be honest, but i reckon it could work as a great counter deference, just don't rely or use it too much (e.g always in that position) as you only have three rounds to impress the judges.

[BG_Knocc_Out]

My philosophy is if you weren't trained to do it, stay away from it.

A lot of people just try using it because they're lazy and have no clue on how to make it effective.

[Bozbay]

My philosophy is if you weren't trained to do it, stay away from it.

A lot of people just try using it because they're lazy and have no clue on how to make it effective.

Right. But in general, as a boxing tool, is it effective in the amateurs? Assuming one knows how to use it.

[BG_Knocc_Out]

Right. But in general, as a boxing tool, is it effective in the amateurs? Assuming one knows how to use it.

Yes................

[Bozbay]

Yea I'm wondering this as well. I think it could work but only with certain styles, and obviously you got to us it as a counter defense otherwise in the judges eyes it looks like your just taking punches. I guess the only real way to know if it works is to test it in sparring. I haven't seen many people use it in amateurs to be honest, but i reckon it could work as a great counter deference, just don't rely or use it too much (e.g always in that position) as you only have three rounds to impress the judges.

Yeah. Often, fighters that use it don't have a high punch out-put. And, because of the head guards, it may look like one is taking shots when really his shoulder is deflecting it. I have always wondered how judges might perceive it.

[Rockin']

hell yeah it works. after I decided to turn pro I took one last amateur bout after working with my new trainer for about 5 months. Johnny, my trainer got a call from Ohio wanting to match me with a guy that they said would tear me to shreds. Johnny laughed, excepted the bout in the guys home town and told that promoter guy to have a stellar medical crew ring side ready and equipped to take my foot out of his guys ass. The guy was supposed to be something special and was supposed to hand me my ass in easy fashion as he was to turn pro after this bout as well.

during those months Johnny worked me daily on the roll and such. I had Courtney Hooper helping me with the sparring and he helped me grow a ton.

in the fight it was a mismatch. we squared up in a small bar in ohio somewhere, the guys hometown. there was a local cable channel recording the bout and they had these bright ass lights right behind the corners, they were simply blinding. I made sure to keep his eyes in the light and mine in the shadows. very similar when your fighting outdoors under a bright afternoons sun. we started out working jabs but as soon as the guy started letting his hands go I was rolling/catching them and shoving them right back down his throat in a menacing fashion. I mixed in the right hand leads to the body and head in between the rolling, countering and jabs, the guy had absolutely nothing to answer my assaults.

Once you get the skill of rolling down it's a brand new world in that ring. It was an easy win in a fight that I was labeled the sacrificial lamb for this guy to roll in to the pros with. If I didn't have the rolling down I think that I still would have beaten him, just not so severely. I remember busting the guy in the corner, he shoots his right, I roll it and come back with a mean uppercut to the sternum. The guy actually turned from me, raised his left leg so that his knee covered his ribs. I had never seen a guy use his leg to protect his body in a ring before. Like I said it was a mismatch.

The financial backers who showed up to view this stellar home town boy left wanting parts of my future contract, I don't know if they ever signed that guy or not. I was with Jackie and figured that I was in great hands and declined any negotiations with the backers.

take the lumps to learn the roll, it'll change your ring experiences from night to day.

but you have to learn it and be watched by somebody who knows the roll. not by somebody who learned about from a television set. those know nothing will get you hurt and show you nothing but basics.... if they even know that much........

[Rockin']

Yeah. Often, fighters that use it don't have a high punch out-put. And, because of the head guards, it may look like one is taking shots when really his shoulder is deflecting it. I have always wondered how judges might perceive it.

I used the roll while forcing fighters back, at that time I was always pressing, moving forward. I could roll going forward, backwards or standing stationary with the feet and hands countering in unison while I'd take a side. It was a power........

[Bozbay]

I used the roll while forcing fighters back, at that time I was always pressing, moving forward. I could roll going forward, backwards or standing stationary with the feet and hands working in unison. It was a power........

Thanks for the insight.

I'm from London so there are very few trainers who can teach the "Michigan" style of fighting. The only way I can practically learn the "shoulder-roll" is by studying tape and learning from my own mistakes. I assume that isn't enough?

[nivek535]

hell yeah it works. after I decided to turn pro I took one last amateur bout after working with my new trainer for about 5 months. Johnny, my trainer got a call from Ohio wanting to match me with a guy that they said would tear me to shreds. Johnny laughed, excepted the bout in the guys home town and told that promoter guy to have a stellar medical crew ring side ready and equipped to take my foot out of his guys ass. The guy was supposed to be something special and was supposed to hand me my ass in easy fashion as he was to turn pro after this bout as well.

during those months Johnny worked me daily on the roll and such. I had Courtney Hooper helping me with the sparring and he helped me grow a ton.

in the fight it was a mismatch. we squared up in a small bar in ohio somewhere, the guys hometown. there was a local cable channel recording the bout and they had these bright ass lights right behind the corners, they were simply blinding. I made sure to keep his eyes in the light and mine in the shadows. very similar when your fighting outdoors under a bright afternoons sun. we started out working jabs but as soon as the guy started letting his hands go I was rolling/catching them and shoving them right back down his throat in a menacing fashion. I mixed in the right hand leads to the body and head in between the rolling, countering and jabs, the guy had absolutely nothing to answer my assaults.

Once you get the skill of rolling down it's a brand new world in that ring. It was an easy win in a fight that I was labeled the sacrificial lamb for this guy to roll in to the pros with. If I didn't have the rolling down I think that I still would have beaten him, just not so severely. I remember busting the guy in the corner, he shoots his right, I roll it and come back with a mean uppercut to the sternum. The guy actually turned from me, raised his left leg so that his knee covered his ribs. I had never seen a guy use his leg to protect his body in a ring before. Like I said it was a mismatch.

The financial backers who showed up to view this stellar home town boy left wanting parts of my future contract, I don't know if they ever signed that guy or not. I was with Jackie and figured that I was in great hands and declined any negotiations with the backers.

take the lumps to learn the roll, it'll change your ring experiences from night to day.

but you have to learn it and be watched by somebody who knows the roll. not by somebody who learned about from a television set. those know nothing will get you hurt and show you nothing but basics.... if they even know that much........

finally a fair post on the roll on the forums yay.