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    Is it necessary for push up to touch floor with chest & fully extend? When I do push up, when going down, I just bend the elbow 90 degrees. When I go up, I don't really forcefully make the elbows straight but just sufficiently straight. So, my elbow angles go from like 170 degrees to 90 degrees as opposed to 180 degrees to like 80 degrees (to touch the floor, the chest has to be lower than the elbows). I was wondering if there is a point in that in terms of muscles other than stretching & working minor (what does that work, because it doesn't seem to be triceps) muscles instead of the actual triceps.

    As for sit ups or crunches, I touch my my knees with elbows. That makes sense to me. The "correct" push ups don't make sense to me. It doesn't make sense why you should do less push ups because the minor muscles can't keep up while you can work your triceps more. You are stopping push up when your triceps can take more burning because the minor muscles (what do they do?) & stamina can't keep up. Maybe triceps are a little more engaged due to the awkward leverage & longer duration in extension. Why not just do 1 more 90 degree though instead of widening the angle? Is it an attempt to make the push up load heavier? Like somewhere in between 90 degree push up & dips (whole weight)?

    So, yeah. That "correct" push up is harder. I am just wondering if the difficulty gap is for the triceps (especially considering how you can just do 1 more 90 degree push up instead). I don't really think about these when I do push up. It is just that some people make a big deal about establishing the identifiable markers during push ups. I was just curious. It is not like I cheat while I do push up. My chest goes down pretty low, just not forcefully rubbing against the floor. Also, my arms straighten pretty full, just not completely straight for the sake of being straight (my chest doesn't go up any more). I am thinking of buying dip bars (I am in poverty, so I am still thinking about it because I am poor & have no money) to switch to dips from push ups just so that I don't have to be bothered with the fuss at all. How many is 75 push ups in dips? Like 40? 50? To last 10 rounds punching & to knock someone out by 1 clean heavy blow to the liver. Wonder how much dips work the chest though as opposed to chest push ups.
    Last edited by wilberbear; 09-09-2015, 11:15 AM.

  • #2
    I didn't read all of this but i don't think pushups are necessary , infact should be done by any boxer. Punch to be great at punching.

    Regards,

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    • #3
      I checked out your youtube channel Mr. Bear - I think that you may be in need of an upstairs checkup. Of course, you won't follow this advice as you are clearly suffering from mental health issues...

      That said, I just wanted to pipe in and say that I agree with Berkay1 - I don't think pushups>punching. If you want to get better at punching, do some punching

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      • #4
        So let me get this straight:

        You don't want to do full ROM pushups?
        You don't want to put any effort in?
        You don't want to join a boxing gym?
        You don't want to eat real food?
        You don't want to do road work?
        You don't want to box because you feel your rights are being taken away?

        Why on earth are you on a boxing forum?

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        • #5
          Mostly to ask questions. I didn't really see other boxers doing "correct" push ups neither when I've been to boxing gyms (or kickboxing gym, I've been to 5 different gyms as I moved around). So, I am just wondering if "correct" push ups are necessary in order to get into the shape to be able to punch 10 rounds. I would rather do dips (I know a lot of boxers do dips), but I am in poverty (my family is dead poor), and I am not really sure if I want to afford dip bars that much. The only upside of the dips is that there is no "correct" dips being fussed & it is a better workout than push ups.

          By the way, boxing isn't equal to hardcore boxing. Also, I already asked before if this was a hardcore boxing forum instead of a general boxing forum.
          Last edited by wilberbear; 09-09-2015, 01:22 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by wilberbear View Post
            Mostly to ask questions. I didn't really see other boxers doing "correct" push ups neither when I've been to boxing gyms (or kickboxing gym, I've been to 5 different gyms as I moved around). So, I am just wondering if "correct" push ups are necessary in order to get into the shape to be able to punch 10 rounds. I would rather do dips (I know a lot of boxers do dips), but I am in poverty (my family is dead poor), and I am not really sure if I want to afford dip bars that much. The only upside of the dips is that there is no "correct" dips being fussed & it is a better workout than push ups.

            By the way, boxing isn't equal to hardcore boxing. Also, I already asked before if this was a hardcore boxing forum instead of a general boxing forum.
            All you need to do dips is a chair.

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            • #7
              How many dips are 75 pushups? What? Is there an equation for that? If you don't want to do full ROM then don't no one's stopping you. But don't be surprised when guys in your gym hit harder and do more pushups with better physique.

              As for the guy who said he doesn't believe in boxers doing pushups.... bruh.

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              • #8
                I don't have to hit harder than other guys. I just have to last 10 rounds & to knock out anyone by 1 clean heavy punch in the liver. You don't really have to hit harder to win a fight.

                Once you have the minimum muscles, it is just about how connective your leg leverage through the pushed shoulder is. I get loud sounds on punching bags by just that. You do need some muscles, but you don't need "more" muscles. Gennady Golovkin is really skinny, but he knocks out anyone with 1 clean heavy punch. Also, I don't need my light punches to be knockout materials. If I want to knock out, I will just throw in a heavy punch. Usually, I mix up punches (stamina matter).

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fJ0wmJkH-I

                Gennady Golovkin is my role model. He doesn't care whether the opponent hits harder than him or not. No matter how hard the opponent hits, the punch can't get through stopping or blocking (the hammer fist or the elbow). Also, no matter how hard the opponent hits, Golovkin knocks them out with 1 clean heavy punch anyway. He is skinny, but that's sufficient.

                Easy comparison. Frank Bruno hit harder than Mike Tyson according to PSI research, but Mike Tyson won anyway. Fighting is not about how hard you hit but how well you move once you have the sufficient punching power (which is 75 push ups apparently as I asked).
                Last edited by wilberbear; 09-09-2015, 05:02 PM.

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                • #9
                  Doing dips with chairs? The chairs get flipped sideways. Should I put something heavy on the chairs so that they stop wobbling?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 2ofEverything View Post
                    As for the guy who said he doesn't believe in doing pushups.... bruh.
                    Was that me?? Yeah, I just really hate doing pushups!!

                    Didn't Jake Gyllenhaal get in shape for Southpaw by doing like 1000 pushups a day? It gave him ripped arms, didn't make him a boxer though

                    Anyway, I was trying to say that punching is better than doing pushups. I don't see the point of going all-out on pushups on a regular basis if you have access to bags/mitts? I don't wanna be pushup champion of the world, I wanna be a better boxer; pushups are part of conditioning but it's not the end-goal is what I'm getting at

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