My ego hurts

[Wuckoo]

Rockin has a point. In some areas you have no choice but to go to war since the other guy is determined to go to war

[Soju]

I'm just speaking in a general sense as it applies to a beginner like the op, not people who can box and have some ring experience.

I don't see what good it does new guys treating sparring sessions like wars, but maybe you guys have different opinions and I'm happy to hear them.


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[Wuckoo]

It's not an easy sport to learn, going back is the only option if you truly want to learn and experience the art of it all. A bloody nose is like a grass stain on a baseball players pants, it just looks messy but essentially it means nothing. Give your nose time to heal properly with you just beginning.

Also, there is not a fighter in the sport that didn't get his ass kicked and ego bruised some where along the way. It's all just art of the learning. You saying that you're going back for more is growth, as long as you do actually go back for more...... Rockin'

This is EXACTLY the right attitude to have. I've been there too OP but rockin is right. Keep coming back and learning from it

[Wuckoo]

I'm just speaking in a general sense as it applies to a beginner like the op, not people who can box and have some ring experience.

I don't see what good it does new guys treating sparring sessions like wars, but maybe you guys have different opinions and I'm happy to hear them.


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I don't think rockin is advocating sparring wars. I don't agree with wars either but you do need some incentive to keeps your hands up and use your feet. A partner who can go light but also put in a little pop to correct you on your mistakes is crucial

[Spray_resistant]

You can look and feel like you have developed alot of skill after training for some time and sparring someone with less experience but this illusion will fall apart when the opposite happens.

[Soju]

So Rockin just to clarify, when you trained were technical sessions done with bag and mitt work and sparring always done at high intensity to simulate fights?


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[Wuckoo]

I always fought hard. What else is there to do once somebody busts you in your nose.

Point Blank- Boxing is not an easy sport. These boys are working their butts off in the inner cities because it's a way to get out and it builds character and discipline that keep many out of the trouble that can be found in the streets. Teach your boys patty cake, whether they are properly prepared to match skill and prepared for the intensity or not, it's still be about the realest thing that they will experience once that bell rings. The cities boys are there to fight at the shows and the tournaments. And they were trained to do just that.......... Rockin'

lol but rockin I'm agreeing with you. I think technical sparring (ie. Working on specific things) and hard sparring (anything goes) is necessary. Tap sparring helps nobody.

[Soju]

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Originally Posted by Rockin'

I always fought hard. What else is there to do once somebody busts you in your nose.

Point Blank- Boxing is not an easy sport. These boys are working their butts off in the inner cities because it's a way to get out and it builds character and discipline that keep many out of the trouble that can be found in the streets. Teach your boys patty cake, whether they are properly prepared to match skill and prepared for the intensity or not, it's still be about the realest thing that they will experience once that bell rings. The cities boys are there to fight at the shows and the tournaments. And they were trained to do just that.......... Rockin'

lol but rockin I'm agreeing with you. I think technical sparring (ie. Working on specific things) and hard sparring (anything goes) is necessary. Tap sparring helps nobody.

Yeah that's what I'm getting at as well. To be clear I don't mean playing patty cakes, just having assignments to work on rather than always free sparring, but still having a normal level of intensity. Maybe this is some strange new hippie **** compared to what Rockin was doing and his trainers told him to just body every dude in sight however possible. Curious to see.



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[Wuckoo]

You guys are talking green, newbie, off the street beginners. I thought we discussed on a higher level than that.

Sure, you don't just send them in and say go get 'em, you only have them throw what has been taught with proper form and such.

And as to thecomment of me trying to body every guy.... yeah, once I turned pro from the ass whoopins that were handed out to me (by some tough ass world class fighters in preparation) I became mean. I learned that as a pro they will bring the hurt to you and it's straight in your face. Either you hang or you fall off, sink or swim.... So yeah, under those conditions I was ruthless. All that I knew was that if I was busy hurting them than they were generally not hurting me. I liked the later part better than the first part. But still it was my nature to get off first.

As an amateur it was different, hard but a bit more tame.

I guess that I didn't know that when you are fighting, whether in the gym or a sanctioned bout, that you are not allowed to be viscous. You're allowed to be viscous in football, why not boxing?........... Rockin'

Yeo, this is pretty much it. At amateur level it is all about development and while you work on skills as a pro they will try and take your head off. And they are fighting for the same reason as you.

[Soju]

I think there has been a communication failure here because we are all saying the same **** but this reads like an argument.

To review, all I was ever trying to say was that beginners should be given specific tasks to work on in sparring. The things he is working on should be his focus in sparring rather than windmilling his way to a false victory.

So if op can accomplish improving with every session, he is doing fine and doesn't need to feel badly or post threads like this. No one is advocating just tapping each other like fairies. Gym wars are normal but shouldnt comprise the bulk of amateur ring time. Aggression intensifies with progression.

Rockin regarding this being straight noob green horn business, I'm asking ****** questions because what you were getting at wasn't clear until I did, and I wanted to be clear because I value your input to any training discussion. With your first reply it read to me like Kronk sparring sessions were always total free for alls, thanks for clarifying.

I now return you all to your regularly scheduled AlexKid threads.


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