Real or Bro science?

[2fast2strong]

I am a wrestiling coach at two different MMA gyms and I spar and work on my boxing because I might go pro after college

Anyway the boxing coach at one gym says I have heavy hands but not explosive power because I built the tendons in my muscles from all of the wrestiling I have done and that makes my punches very heavy

I told this to the boxing coach at the other MMA gym and he laughed and said that was bull**** and bro science because power is something you are born with and when my technique gets better and my speed increases than my power will be more explosive and all of the wrestiling in the world won't give anyone punching power

So what do you think?

[SplitSecond]

first guy knows what he's talking about

strength = heavy hands

problem is you do to much strength training of slow movement that you can get very tight, which takes away from your force transferring which comes from speed

it's a balance thing, but yea, second guy is a tool

[Spray_resistant]

Depends on alot of factors when comparing muscular endurance vs explosiveness. It has to do with yes natural talent, how you have trained for long periods of time, your age, diet, probably some other physiological factors too, and I think personally bone size/density and the way you are balanced when standing or walking for instance how you distribute your weight into your feet.

Gravity works the same for the body as it does a house so naturally that explosive power would come from the bottom up just as the durability of the house comes from the solid foundation hence the way you are generally distributing your weight into your feet on ground which acts as a neutral force against gravity enabling your to act as a counter force.

[~AK49~]

I believe both are correct. The second coach is really just speaking along the lines of the philosophical debate of if punchers are born or made. I believe they are born. These are the natural punchers that just have it from day one, power and explosiveness. But that's not to dismiss the other part of the equation, where one developed their power through training (boxing, lifting, etc). But its a philosophical debate. Could be counted as 'broscience' because of that, but that doesn't make it untrue.

Imo, Somebody who is a natural puncher becomes a beast through training. But, somebody who is not a puncher can still develops into an okay puncher(got a little.power, develops your technique which also improves everything, etc). I can't say what you are without experiencing it.

[Facade]

I think the first statement is false. A number of things could explain a lack of explosiveness. And even if wrestling played a part in explosiveness, by no means does that suggest that there is also some kind of causal relation between wrestling and tendons.

[2fast2strong]

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it's a balance thing, but yea, second guy is a tool[/QUOTE]



That's funny that you said that because it is really the exact opposite, the first guy is not really easy to get along with and his father was a pro but this guy never boxed before but he acts like he wrote the book on boxing

The second guy is laid back and cool as hell and he had 23 pro fights and I think he only lost 3 or something like that

But I don't know who is right on this one because I am kind of new to boxing

[Ruthless One]

Maybe the first coach was trying to imply your training of fast twitch muscle fibers vs. slow twitch.

[Rostov Papa]

Maybe the first coach was trying to imply your training of fast twitch muscle fibers vs. slow twitch.

That's what I took away too.

That as of now, since you***341;e still new to boxing, your muscles are built to react to ***7813;restling movements, rather than boxing.

But that doesnt mean you wont develop more explosiveness, and thus will increase the effective power output of your natural heavy hands.

Only way to find out is to keep trainng in boxing, and keep a log. Then see the results!

[HedonisticFrog]

You're tendons don't have anything to do with punching power besides holding your muscles to your bones while you punch. You just have a significant amount of strength from wrestling that lets you punch hard. As you develop your technique you'll punch even harder and faster as well with the same strength.

[AddiX]

I am a wrestiling coach at two different MMA gyms and I spar and work on my boxing because I might go pro after college

Anyway the boxing coach at one gym says I have heavy hands but not explosive power because I built the tendons in my muscles from all of the wrestiling I have done and that makes my punches very heavy

I told this to the boxing coach at the other MMA gym and he laughed and said that was bull**** and bro science because power is something you are born with and when my technique gets better and my speed increases than my power will be more explosive and all of the wrestiling in the world won't give anyone punching power

So what do you think?

Being an athlete before boxing would def give you a a punching strength advantage as a beginner. I use to to train a buddy who played football as a guard, and played baseball, he was strong as heck, and he had good body mechanics and good footwork. He was a strong puncher, no douBt about it.

BUT he wasn't explosive. His muscles, ligaments, and tendons weren't conditioned to explode in a boxing sort of way. A lot of it is technique, but there is definitely a physical factor to it, the body needs to adapt.

People can call It bro science if they want, but you watch a UFC card, and you don't see any explosive punchers. Obviously there technique is lacking, but a lot of it is because there bodies just aren't conditioned for it.