How to neutralize a jab?

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I'm glad you brought up Winky because he's a classic example of how a lefty can have a dominant jab vs a righty. There are so many people that say it can't be done and that's simply not true.

Now it's harder, I agree but it's in the footwork and angle you throw it.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

One thing about boxing is that fans tend to have these pre-set ideas about what you can and cannot do. For example, a lefty can't jab effectively.

These notions are nonsense and thinking inside the framework of what boxing tells you what is possible. The reality is, boxing is not like other traditional marital arts in that you don't need to follow some pre-set technique or format in order to be successful.

Guys like George Benton developed a different style, Ali moved in a way that a HW shouldn't be moving. I can go on and on.

I develop the jab with everyone, because it's the best weapon in the game. It's about timing, speed and pumping it out from a place that can't be telegraphed.

Righty or lefty makes no difference if you work on it and practice it in the ring.

[New England]

One thing about boxing is that fans tend to have these pre-set ideas about what you can and cannot do. For example, a lefty can't jab effectively.

These notions are nonsense and thinking inside the framework of what boxing tells you what is possible. The reality is, boxing is not like other traditional marital arts in that you don't need to follow some pre-set technique or format in order to be successful.

Guys like George Benton developed a different style, Ali moved in a way that a HW shouldn't be moving. I can go on and on.

I develop the jab with everyone, because it's the best weapon in the game. It's about timing, speed and pumping it out from a place that can't be telegraphed.

Righty or lefty makes no difference if you work on it and practice it in the ring.

you'd never get joe frazier to move like muhammad ali, though.

wright's jab also has the advantage of coming from his dominant hand. it could be an arm punch and still move you, or make you reset. that's obviously not the only reason he had a great jab, but it helped. it also took away from the power of his left hand counterpunches, the typical offense of the southpaw.

now, i agree when you say that a southpaw can jab and that you guys should teach it, but there is a natural basis in the phenomenon (that few southpaws have a great jab,) because it is more difficult because of the way their lead hands and feet line up. if a left hander is close enough and inside of your lead foot you really can't miss with your right hand, as you know.

many southpaws, as you obviously know being a grizzled former pro and current pro trainer, dispense with the jab and throw the left hand, and have an easier time taking an opponent's jab away than landing their own.


when most of the southpaws are throwing left hand counterpunches and being negative, you'll have southpaws in your gym who can make stuff happen off of the jab, which is a good thing. it's not something you see constantly because it's much more difficult to implement, the same way it's much more difficult for a 6'4" ali to get on his toes. incidentally, ali is the greatest HW of all time.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

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you'd never get joe frazier to move like muhammad ali, though.

Sure, but that's not what I'm talking about. I don't mean to change a fighters style, I'm just stating that for example is a fighter is tall and lanky, that somehow he can't fight inside. That's nonsense, every fighter does something well and sometimes it goes against the reasoning of traditional boxing.

wright's jab also has the advantage of coming from his dominant hand. it could be an arm punch and still move you, or make you reset. that's obviously not the only reason he had a great jab, but it helped. it also took away from the power of his left hand counterpunches, the typical offense of the southpaw.

Yes but I jab better with my left hand and I am a righty. When I switch, I still can pump the jab out with my right the way I do my left. It's all a matter of practice to be honest with you.

now, i agree when you say that a southpaw can jab and that you guys should teach it, but there is a natural basis in the phenomenon (that few southpaws have a great jab,) because it is more difficult because of the way their lead hands and feet line up. if a left hander is close enough and inside of your lead foot you really can't miss with your right hand, as you know.

Yes but righties seem to have no problem in that same regard...why? I think it's because of the traditional stuff being taught over and over in gyms and not allowing anyone to think outside the box. I'm not saying that in boxing there needs to be some radical change but just because you are a lefty doesn't mean you can't use the jab.

many southpaws, as you obviously know being a grizzled former pro and current pro trainer, dispense with the jab and throw the left hand, and have an easier time taking an opponent's jab away than landing their own.

Absolutely and there is nothing wrong about that. The lead left is the traditional counter to the right handed stance. Do what you do well is my point, I can't force a fighter to throw a great jab but if a lefty has a great jab, why not use it?

when most of the southpaws are throwing left hand counterpunches and being negative, you'll have southpaws in your gym who can make stuff happen off of the jab, which is a good thing. it's not something you see constantly because it's much more difficult to implement, the same way it's much more difficult for a 6'4" ali to get on his toes. incidentally, ali is the greatest HW of all time.

Absolutely, I agree 100%. My only point is let's not throw the baby out with the bath water so to speak.

New England you know your stuff man, I don't say this much but by the sound of it you could be a good trainer if you learned under a seasoned trainer.

[NearHypnos]

(Didnt read past page 1...sorry i already said)


With a better jab!

Counter lead hooks.

My favorite thing to do was slip it and move in and try to drill them in the body with a lead hook.

From MY experience, I counter the jab maybe more than any other punch because it's such a basic punch almost everyone uses, that SO many people arent consistant with it. Its either lazy or they telegraph the follow up.

A good sense of distance (established by either your jab or whatever you prefer) is probably the easiest to learn, but hard to master as it can make you passive if you ONLY step away from it.

I'd recommen against trying to catch/parry of you're fairly new as feints by more experienced guys will kill you as you move your hand away..either with quick lead hooks or throwing the jab at a different angle/speed.

Throw a well timed overhand/hook every now and then over their lazy jab and make them think about even throwing it

[DIB42]

I'm also quite fond of the way Mike Tyson was able to make his opponents "scared" to jab, by slipping and countering.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I'm also quite fond of the way Mike Tyson was able to make his opponents "scared" to jab, by slipping and countering.

Yet the punch that beat him against both Holyfield and Lewis was the punch.

[DIB42]

Yet the punch that beat him against both Holyfield and Lewis was the punch.

I think Holyfield's head beat him personally, Both the butts and his ring smarts. Douglas beat Tyson with the Jab/Straight as well. Once Tyson lost the ability to instill fear and get his opponents moving backwards, he was quite venerable to be being broken down, mentally and physically. But early Tyson, even towards the end of his time as an amateur, Tyson did an amazing job of slipping and punishing a guy for throwing . .

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I think Holyfield's head beat him personally, Both the butts and his ring smarts. Douglas beat Tyson with the Jab/Straight as well. Once Tyson lost the ability to instill fear and get his opponents moving backwards, he was quite venerable to be being broken down, mentally and physically. But early Tyson, even towards the end of his time as an amateur, Tyson did an amazing job of slipping and punishing a guy for throwing . .

Well, let's be fair too. Tyson was in one of the weakest HW divisional times ever. When he did step up to fight top contenders he lost.

Tyson was an intimidator for sure, his head movement was great but I think Tyson is very overrated by his fans.

[Rockin']

you want to neutralize a guys jab, 3 simple steps. 1)When he tries to punch you with his jab make him miss and then punch him in his face. 2)When he tries to punch you with his jab make him miss and then punch him in his face. 3)When he tries to punch you with his jab make him miss and then punch him in his face again.

Follow these 3 easy steps and that jab will be neutralized.

Honestly though, a trainer from Kronk showed me the easiest and simplest way to make a guy afraid to even throw the jab let alone just neutralizing the thing. If I see the technique that I spoke of in this thread I will point it out when reading through the posts. I highly (no pun intended) doubt that I will see it in here. A great guy/trainer from Kronk named Earl Smith (rip) taught it to me when I was young and it works like a mf'er. I loved that guy, just a great person.

With neutralizing a southpaws jab its easy and rather simple, I forget who taught it to me but it works like a mf'er too. Haven't seen this technique mentioned either......... Rockin'