How to make the 1234 combination faster?

[moneymayforever]

how can i speed up my 1234 combination? i think im improving on the 1-2 but the 3-4 part is real hard to make it speedy. will it become faster with practice? thanks in advance

[Crushedknee]

Yep its just repetition..Your Body and muscles actually learn to fire off in sequence..lots of repetition is the only way they learn..Think about running it takes millions of repetitions to put all those individual motions together to form the the sequence of movements we call running.

[..WaRSpencE..]

What Crushedknee said is correct and don't emphasize as much torque until you get to the 4 and explode..the 1-2-3 will be speedy and snappy and the 4 needs to go full twist from the hips fast and hard, and it'll have good pop.

I'm not a fan of "in order" combinations..vary it and practice the speed on doubling up the 2 and 3, or maybe a 1-1-2-3

[frosty-g]

Yep its just repetition..Your Body and muscles actually learn to fire off in sequence..lots of repetition is the only way they learn..Think about running it takes millions of repetitions to put all those individual motions together to form the the sequence of movements we call running.

so to become a better runner all you do is just keep running the same but do more of it and hope it gets better? i imagine even the ancient greeks were more advanced about it than that.
what you're saying is that you repeat and repeat and repeat some more and either keep getting better until your physical peak or as far as your genetics allow?

it's fine to think that way IF you have a deep understanding of the technique to begin with, because then you will be getting everything running more smoothly, but someone who doesn't feel they can throw a decent combination of 4 straight shots almost certainly needs to make sure they have the technique side of things right before ingraining a bad pattern of movement by repeating something that is incorrect and blindly hoping for it to improve.

OP- make sure you understand the footwork required and try to get a good rhythm, stepping with each shot and turning the hips well and fast. the movement of the feet enables the movement of the hips to be quicker and when you can get all that working in time with each other your hands will come out quicker and more powerfully. also, keep loose enough for your hands to move quickly and bring them back quicker so that you can use your bodyweight for momentum for the next shot (and of course for defence).
easier said than done to take the above and make it work so make sure you have a word with a decent coach and try it out in front of a mirror and in shadowboxing (do plenty of this).

[Prince Mongo]

how can i speed up my 1234 combination? i think im improving on the 1-2 but the 3-4 part is real hard to make it speedy. will it become faster with practice? thanks in advance

Work on the combination at a very slow speed using a mirrow to check form and technique and then build up the speed gradually without losing form. In learning this is called incubation,a chick pecks pecks at the egg in order for it to hatch sometimes it will break the shell after a few pecks sometimes it takes longer. No one fully understands the learning process but forcing the issue is detrimental so in real terms going at it at full pace will most likely not do the job.The learning process has it's own nebulous time frame and can not be forced only nurtured.But if you go at it slowly with good form your subconscious will suddenly get it and do the work for you.
I got this way of learning from a US military psycologist who had studied accelerated learning techniques that the US military had spent millions researching and developing in order to make their teaching more efficient.
One of the findings was to work on a movement in 4 sets of 4 ,first doing 4 reps on a conscious manual level, then 4 reps on a sub conscious level reciting a poem or song in your mind to occupy your mind so that you can not think on a conscious level then another 4 reps on a conscious level then 4 more on a subconscious level. Then stop rest and repeat after a while on a litle and often basis. Research shows if you relentlessly go after a movement you get diminishing returns as time goes on so don't waste your effort.
Speed is a product of getting a habit down to a habitual subconscious basis. You can't be fast on a conscious manual basis and conscious thought annoys subconscious thought. This explains why you will get frustrated when going at it at a faster speed that you can do it. The subconscious has to be nurtured not bullied.

[frosty-g]

Work on the combination at a very slow speed using a mirrow to check form and technique and then build up the speed gradually without losing form. In learning this is called incubation,a chick pecks pecks at the egg in order for it to hatch sometimes it will break the shell after a few pecks sometimes it takes longer. No one fully understands the learning process but forcing the issue is detrimental so in real terms going at it at full pace will most likely not do the job.The learning process has it's own nebulous time frame and can not be forced only nurtured.But if you go at it slowly with good form your subconscious will suddenly get it and do the work for you.
I got this way of learning from a US military psycologist who had studied accelerated learning techniques that the US military had spent millions researching and developing in order to make their teaching more efficient.
One of the findings was to work on a movement in 4 sets of 4 ,first doing 4 reps on a conscious manual level, then 4 reps on a sub conscious level reciting a poem or song in your mind to occupy your mind so that you can not think on a conscious level then another 4 reps on a conscious level then 4 more on a subconscious level. Then stop rest and repeat after a while on a litle and often basis. Research shows if you relentlessly go after a movement you get diminishing returns as time goes on so don't waste your effort.
Speed is a product of getting a habit down to a habitual subconscious basis. You can't be fast on a conscious manual basis and conscious thought annoys subconscious thought. This explains why you will get frustrated when going at it at a faster speed that you can do it. The subconscious has to be nurtured not bullied.

makes plenty of sense but the cubans teach it such that the explanation is broken down, but then after that everything is done quickly. then the coach can make sure that what the boxer is doing is going to be correct in real life- it doesn't take too much mastery to perform something without flaw when going through it slowly, it is more when going quickly that the errors manifest and become apparent so it is at that point that they become correctable in real life also.
that's not contradicting what you said, but adding to it.
there's going to be a particular range of speeds that are useful for learning at before getting ahead of oneself and trying to be crazy quick and sacrificing form. once technique is nailed down well enough then repetition and deliberate development can occur with good results.

[Prince Mongo]

makes plenty of sense but the cubans teach it such that the explanation is broken down, but then after that everything is done quickly. then the coach can make sure that what the boxer is doing is going to be correct in real life- it doesn't take too much mastery to perform something without flaw when going through it slowly, it is more when going quickly that the errors manifest and become apparent so it is at that point that they become correctable in real life also.
that's not contradicting what you said, but adding to it.
there's going to be a particular range of speeds that are useful for learning at before getting ahead of oneself and trying to be crazy quick and sacrificing form. once technique is nailed down well enough then repetition and deliberate development can occur with good results.

The Cubans produce well schooled technicaly sound boxers without flaws. That does not happen by coincedence. The East Germans and Russians have conducted extensive research into sports science and there may have been some input from them but the Cubans know what they are doing.
What you are saying is along the same lines and logic. Glitches in technique will manifest themselves at speed and under pressure and repitition will ingrain them. The key is to train and jump on any deseases before they take a footing because then getting rid of bad habits is real hard.
I am going to visit Cuba and am interested in their training methods . From what I have seen they are way better than most in the west.

[frosty-g]

The Cubans produce well schooled technicaly sound boxers without flaws. That does not happen by coincedence. The East Germans and Russians have conducted extensive research into sports science and there may have been some input from them but the Cubans know what they are doing.
What you are saying is along the same lines and logic. Glitches in technique will manifest themselves at speed and under pressure and repitition will ingrain them. The key is to train and jump on any deseases before they take a footing because then getting rid of bad habits is real hard.
I am going to visit Cuba and am interested in their training methods . From what I have seen they are way better than most in the west.

exactly. (the bit in bold)
and this is why they are so well schooled.

yes the eastern bloc countries did excellent research and also really gave training methods a thorough examination making it quite scientific in that respect too.
they certainly did help a lot in setting up the cubans with a similar system and technical expertise- including sending over a good number of top coaches- and so the cuban school was born from this collaboration.

however, the cubans are (and of course this is generalising) not built quite like the eastern europeans who tend to be particularly strong and powerful, rather the cubans are especially fast and with great rhythm. so what the cubans did was adapt the system to work with these attributes rather than focussing on strength and power, which resulted in a very fluid form of boxing, although this is changing a bit in more recent years where the use of a two handed blocking has become common and changed the style a lot (not in a good way really)

cuba's real secret is the training methods, you'll see that when you go out there. can you read spanish by the way?- if so i can send you a few links to some stuff that will be of interest.
also, if you want to know a good coach out there (he's taught most of the other coaches that there are in havana) send me a message and i can give you some contact details or try and answer any questions that you have.