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  • #41
    Originally posted by dctopboots01 View Post
    Kerry Kayes was a bodybuilder...he in fact has no experience in boxing strength and conditioning. He also put Hatton on a diet of 70% suppliments. That's no good for anyone. The body needs natural food. That is a bodybuilding program. Google strength training and google bodybuilder and see what matches yours. Hypertrophy training will make you week. I don't even train the deadlift, I'm 11st 5lbs and can deadlift 200 + kg.
    So, what would you recommend. As a weekly weight schedule? The same but lower reps?

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    • #42
      Originally posted by Spartacus Sully View Post
      really though the fact is that hatton was **** against mayweather, and i woudlnt reccomend his routine to anyone.

      your best best is light weights with high reps, body weight exercise working twords higher reps (not more difficulty like one arm push ups), and low weight plyos like medicine ball slams, sledge/tire slams, and jump squats.

      this will ensure you dont exhause your self or injur you muscles so you cant train or arnt able to train at 100% in the gym. as well you wont get the slowness and lack of coordination that comes with overly training your fast twitch fibers.
      So you would still recomend lifting weights, but with lower weights?

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      • #43
        Originally posted by NoLove View Post
        So you would still recomend lifting weights, but with lower weights?
        i think about it like this, your in the ring with some one else that the same weight as you. so the more comfortable you are with your own weight in an endurance aspect the better your going to be. you dont need to be insanely strong as its goin to reduce you endurance and speed but you also dont want to be weak.

        a boxer that can do 50 pull ups and 50 push ups is going to be better off then a boxer that can do 5 1 armed pull ups and 5 1 armed push ups.

        so as far as training maximal strength, simple body weight exercises are all you need.



        theres other kinds of strength, explosive, endurance, and speed.

        explosive strength your going to get from intense rounds sparring, hitting the bag and plyos.

        endurance your going to get from sparring, hitting the bag, shadow boxing, high reps (20+) low weight, body weight isometric exercises like planks, dumbell iso metric exerises like holding 1-2 lb weights in a fixed position for 30 seconds to a min, and doing high reps of body weight exercises.


        and speed your going to get from technique, shadow boxing, intense rounds on the heavy bag, and trying to punch faster.


        everything you need for boxing is cover by body weight exercises, hard work in the gym, and some easy road work to help you breath calmly under stress, improve resting heart rate, and burn off excess lactate acid built up from the gym work to improve recover.


        heavy weights with 3-5 reps really isnt needed, and its more of a mma training where you do need insane strength.

        boxing is about impacts, mma is about pushing and pulling.
        Last edited by Spartacus Sully; 01-05-2012, 05:57 AM.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by Spartacus Sully View Post
          i think about it like this, your in the ring with some one else that the same weight as you. so the more comfortable you are with your own weight in an endurance aspect the better your going to be. you dont need to be insanely strong as its goin to reduce you endurance and speed but you also dont want to be weak.

          a boxer that can do 50 pull ups and 50 push ups is going to be better off then a boxer that can do 5 1 armed pull ups and 5 1 armed push ups.

          so as far as training maximal strength, simple body weight exercises are all you need.



          theres other kinds of strength, explosive, endurance, and speed.

          explosive strength your going to get from intense rounds sparring, hitting the bag and plyos.

          endurance your going to get from sparring, hitting the bag, shadow boxing, high reps (20+) low weight, body weight isometric exercises like planks, dumbell iso metric exerises like holding 1-2 lb weights in a fixed position for 30 seconds to a min, and doing high reps of body weight exercises.


          and speed your going to get from technique, shadow boxing, intense rounds on the heavy bag, and trying to punch faster.


          everything you need for boxing is cover by body weight exercises, hard work in the gym, and some easy road work to help you breath calmly under stress, improve resting heart rate, and burn off excess lactate acid built up from the gym work to improve recover.


          heavy weights with 3-5 reps really isnt needed, and its more of a mma training where you do need insane strength.

          boxing is about impacts, mma is about pushing and pulling.
          well its lucky i only do 1 maybe 2 strength sessions for 30-45 minutes a week then. I have increadble strength, maybe thats down to genetics. I can do 30 chin-ups but also 7 one-handed chin-ups. I can do 90 press-ups but also 16 one-handed press-ups. I have a huge deadlift, which i never train, but can run a six minute mile. I am unbeaten in 12 fights. I train 4 to 5 days boxing, sparring, bag work etc. Strength training is a small suppliment to my regieme. That's what it is. It gives me that slight advantage, as does my hill sprints, as does my GPP work, and does my endurance work, as does my neck and hand training, core work 5 days a week and roadwork. Heavy weight work is maybe not needed but it helps. There have been world champions that uses it, and some that don't. I have strength endurance, maximal strength and explosive strength, they all come in handy when rendering someone unconcious.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by NoLove View Post
            So you would still recomend lifting weights, but with lower weights?
            yes and only once or twice a week.

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            • #46
              The debate about weight training in boxing is so, so frustrating. There's that many out of date views.

              Olympic style lifts, such as snatches and cleans performed explosively with low reps WILL improve power as your fast twitch fibres will develop and you will become more adept at recruiting motor units to work together.

              The fact is that a lot of top fighters today use weights, and I know for sure that Bernard Hopkins does and noone can doubt his longevity. If weight training was bad for the body then surely Hopkins wouldn't be able to fight at 46 years of age?

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              • #47
                Originally posted by dctopboots01 View Post
                well its lucky i only do 1 maybe 2 strength sessions for 30-45 minutes a week then. I have increadble strength, maybe thats down to genetics. I can do 30 chin-ups but also 7 one-handed chin-ups. I can do 90 press-ups but also 16 one-handed press-ups. I have a huge deadlift, which i never train, but can run a six minute mile. I am unbeaten in 12 fights. I train 4 to 5 days boxing, sparring, bag work etc. Strength training is a small suppliment to my regieme. That's what it is. It gives me that slight advantage, as does my hill sprints, as does my GPP work, and does my endurance work, as does my neck and hand training, core work 5 days a week and roadwork. Heavy weight work is maybe not needed but it helps. There have been world champions that uses it, and some that don't. I have strength endurance, maximal strength and explosive strength, they all come in handy when rendering someone unconcious.
                unbeaten in 12 fights, man now i really want to see some shadow boxing, bag work or sparring.

                you could allways post up one of your fights too.

                as ive said, i can do anything when i lie too.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by Spartacus Sully View Post
                  unbeaten in 12 fights, man now i really want to see some shadow boxing, bag work or sparring.

                  you could allways post up one of your fights too.

                  as ive said, i can do anything when i lie too.
                  I am the master of the Dempsey Roll.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by DaveJH View Post
                    The fact is that a lot of top fighters today use weights, and I know for sure that Bernard Hopkins does and noone can doubt his longevity. If weight training was bad for the body then surely Hopkins wouldn't be able to fight at 46 years of age?
                    the fact is that every single boxer that ever lived used weights be it their body, gloves, a heavy bag, or a sparring partner.

                    now heavy weights is what the issue is.

                    can you please link hopkins training routine to show what kind of weight he used?

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Young Money View Post
                      I am the master of the Dempsey Roll.
                      you mean you know how to bob and weave? shocking!!!

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