Good weights for boxing??????????

[The Surgeon]

****in hell, I've read all of the threads in this post and at not one point has it seemed to sink in that "Compound movements (Squat, Deadlift, Clean e.t.c.) + Heavy weights + low reps + 1 minute rest + 5 sets" = massive gains in strength with very little/no muscle gain and I am testament to this. I've noticed massive gains in the power in my legs and posterior chain through heavy lifting once per week performed on a different day to boxing training. I can also highly recommend kettlebell training for excellent muscle conditioning!! It's the 21st century lads!!

Exactly man! Lifting those type of weights for those types of reps will not build muscle only strength, and thats why its strength training!

Kettlebells is another good thing, im starting a class this wk actually.

Problem here is alot of the guys in this thread and indeed sport have limited experiance and knowledge about weight training, Why must boxing stay in the dark ages and whine on about the good old days while every other sport has moved on? Look at the stick Booth and Haye got for their training methods when the were starting out

[BrooklynBomber]

You guys do realize that muscle is build more on food then anything else?
Oh, and big compound movements build plenty of muscle, you just gotta eat for it.

[The Surgeon]

You guys do realize that muscle is build more on food then anything else?
Oh, and big compound movements build plenty of muscle, you just gotta eat for it.

True but they dont build big muscle at the 1 and 2 rep range

[Alden]

Hi Samoram, There is some contribution of weight in boxing... I think that healthy eating much contribute in the boxing session and also the training include more ....... Focused on that one subjects buddy..... You will be surely succeeded....

[killsomething]

this thread is so full of fail.

Ask yourselves some basic questions. Have you ever seen a relatively small-muscled guy out-lift a larger muscled guy? Do you think it's possible for a skinnier guy to be stronger than a bigger guy? Is a smaller muscle capable of being stronger than a larger muscle? If so, why? Genetics? Training? Do you think maybe the link between the Central Nervous System and the muscle is more important than the muscle itself? Could it be that the smaller muscle has been trained to fire all at once and recruit more fibres, whereas the larger muscle isn't trained to be so efficient? How does one train for that?

We amateurs fight for 6 or 9 minutes, with two 1 minute breaks. Muscular endurance is absolutely not a factor in an amateur fight, unless you happen to be woefully inadequate.

Lifting weights does. Not. Necessitate. Size increases. You can train your small, pathetic, unattractive muscles to function more efficiently, thus making you stronger. You can do this with weights, resistance bands, your own bodyweight, a big black *****, whatever.

Size increases from weightlifting come from excess calories. You won't get bigger if you don't eat enough to get bigger. If you restrict your muscles from growing yet subject them to heavy loads, your CNS adapts and you become stronger, yet stay the same size. Becoming stronger increases your power potential, which increases your speed potential.

I weigh 170lb. I can probably bench 190 on my best day. Squat a decent amount, deadlift a small amount. I have an uncle who's my exact height who had a 1500lb total (closer to 1750 I think) at 170. He was the same size as I am, yet astronomically stronger. Christ, I wonder why? Maybe from all the max strength training he did. Why didn't it make him bigger? Because he had to stay within a weight class for competitions, so he didn't eat enough to gain muscle mass. Just lifted heavy, rested smart, and ate properly.

Do I lift weights? No, not right now. I have a hard enough time juggling running and boxing. I lifted weights for a few years off and on, and I'm comfortable with my current speed and power. My priority is improving my workrate and skill. Later in the year, I might take a couple months and add some strength. Eventually, my work capacity should increase to the point where I can lift, run, and box steadily.

Some of you guys are just ******, sorry. Read a book.

[Spartacus Sully]

this thread is so full of fail.

Ask yourselves some basic questions. Have you ever seen a relatively small-muscled guy out-lift a larger muscled guy? Do you think it's possible for a skinnier guy to be stronger than a bigger guy? Is a smaller muscle capable of being stronger than a larger muscle? If so, why? Genetics? Training? Do you think maybe the link between the Central Nervous System and the muscle is more important than the muscle itself? Could it be that the smaller muscle has been trained to fire all at once and recruit more fibres, whereas the larger muscle isn't trained to be so efficient? How does one train for that?

We amateurs fight for 6 or 9 minutes, with two 1 minute breaks. Muscular endurance is absolutely not a factor in an amateur fight, unless you happen to be woefully inadequate.

Lifting weights does. Not. Necessitate. Size increases. You can train your small, pathetic, unattractive muscles to function more efficiently, thus making you stronger. You can do this with weights, resistance bands, your own bodyweight, a big black *****, whatever.

Size increases from weightlifting come from excess calories. You won't get bigger if you don't eat enough to get bigger. If you restrict your muscles from growing yet subject them to heavy loads, your CNS adapts and you become stronger, yet stay the same size. Becoming stronger increases your power potential, which increases your speed potential.

I weigh 170lb. I can probably bench 190 on my best day. Squat a decent amount, deadlift a small amount. I have an uncle who's my exact height who had a 1500lb total (closer to 1750 I think) at 170. He was the same size as I am, yet astronomically stronger. Christ, I wonder why? Maybe from all the max strength training he did. Why didn't it make him bigger? Because he had to stay within a weight class for competitions, so he didn't eat enough to gain muscle mass. Just lifted heavy, rested smart, and ate properly.

Do I lift weights? No, not right now. I have a hard enough time juggling running and boxing. I lifted weights for a few years off and on, and I'm comfortable with my current speed and power. My priority is improving my workrate and skill. Later in the year, I might take a couple months and add some strength. Eventually, my work capacity should increase to the point where I can lift, run, and box steadily.

Some of you guys are just ******, sorry. Read a book.

ssooooooo if i bench press and only bench press every other day while maintaining a calorie deficit proportionally my chest wont get any bigger?

i mean reguardless if i gain weight or lose weight or stay at the same weight.....my chest will never proportionally get bigger then my legs even though im working my chest and neglecting my leg muscles?

i mean i allways thought that as you work your muscles any protien you get goes to repair the muscles that need it most, the ones being worked. and then as you find you arnt intaking enough calories and your body needs to burn muscles a fuel it strips it away evenly or atleast from the muscles that arnt being worked as much. woudlnt this leave the musclse that are being worked proportionally bigger then the muscles that arnt ....even on a calorie deficit?

not even bench pressing , lets say lifting heavy weights....lets say i lift and stabalize heavy weights with my arms in all kinds of diffrent ways every other day like when i dead lift i lift and stabalize weights with my arms and when i squat i stabalize and hold the weights with my arms and when i bench i lift and stabalize weights with my arms.....now even on a calorie deficit wouldnt this cause my arms to become proportionally bigger compared to my body then they were, adding mass in places where its not needed reguardless if overall i lose weight in the process?

and would not getting enough protien and carbs also effect your recovery time?

[killsomething]

ssooooooo if i bench press and only bench press every other day while maintaining a calorie deficit proportionally my chest wont get any bigger?

i mean reguardless if i gain weight or lose weight or stay at the same weight.....my chest will never proportionally get bigger then my legs even though im working my chest and neglecting my leg muscles?

i mean i allways thought that as you work your muscles any protien you get goes to repair the muscles that need it most, the ones being worked. and then as you find you arnt intaking enough calories and your body needs to burn muscles a fuel it strips it away evenly or atleast from the muscles that arnt being worked as much. woudlnt this leave the musclse that are being worked proportionally bigger then the muscles that arnt ....even on a calorie deficit?

not even bench pressing , lets say lifting heavy weights....lets say i lift and stabalize heavy weights with my arms in all kinds of diffrent ways every other day like when i dead lift i lift and stabalize weights with my arms and when i squat i stabalize and hold the weights with my arms and when i bench i lift and stabalize weights with my arms.....now even on a calorie deficit wouldnt this cause my arms to become proportionally bigger compared to my body then they were, adding mass in places where its not needed reguardless if overall i lose weight in the process?

and would not getting enough protien and carbs also effect your recovery time?

Recovery time is the main thing. That's the reason it doesn't make sense for most boxers to lift, because it takes forever to recover from a weightlifting session if you aren't eating enough. It's tricky to take in the exact amount of calories you need.

And I kind of assumed that one would work all the muscles in a weightlifting routine. If you focused on one group, yeah, you'd get bigger in that group, but it would be EXTREMELY slow gains, almost imperceptible. It would take you a looong time to gain a pound of muscle.

Also, I assume a max strength routine. Long rest, heavy weight, low reps. Of course you might gain some muscle here and there, but it's so minor as to not really matter, imo.

As far as I'm concerned, it makes a lot more sense to take chunks of time for adding strength. A month or two every few months. You might gain a pound or two, if that, but it shouldn't be that big of a deal because once you get back to a focus on boxing and roadwork, the muscle should get redistributed the way you need it to be. But your CNS/muscle links will remain stronger than before.

Correct me if I'm wrong of course, I'm not a CPT or anything.

[killsomething]

Actually I might have totally misunderstood you.

Yes, some of your muscles might increase in size (very slowly). But overall, your weight can stay the same. Those muscles can repair themselves from food you eat and/or other muscles. But if your only concern is staying in your weight class and getting stronger, that shouldn't matter. What do I care if my quads get bigger and I lose some chest muscle? If I'm gaining max strength in all my lifts and muscle groups, then I'm accomplishing my goal.

Also, there's a difference between not eating enough and not eating enough to build muscle. Weightlifting on a calorie deficit would be really really unenjoyable. But if you eat enough so the muscles can repair themselves, but not enough that they can build themselves, you're good. Trick is figuring it out.

But it's so much easier said than done.

[Spartacus Sully]

What do I care if my quads get bigger and I lose some chest muscle?

well if your lifting heavy objects with your arms your arm will get bigger biceps tricesp ect.......so where you legs might get bigger you arms are also putting on muscle and getting bigger.....if you bench your chest is also getting bigger.

infact your arms probly arnt even being worked for myofibril hypertrophy but instead sarcoplasmic due to the load and how your arms are being used with the load......so not only would you be gaining muscles in your arms it would be pretty much useless body building muscles.

your arms are taxed when squatting.......not much but just enough to build body build muscles......your arms are being taxed when bench pressing.

if your routine involves anything where you have to lift or hold a heavy weight with your arms......you pretty much cant help but gain useless muscle on your arms....

like the average arm weighs 7 lbs for a 150 lb person if that person gains 1 lb in his biceps and triceps thats something like 14% more weight to push around....just from one extra pound added to an arm. 1 lb thats the diffrence between shadow boxing with and with out gloves.

using weights and then stopping and just going pure boxing is a decent idea, thats what wlad does it helps him get ready for the boxing conditioning.....

but it also puts extra unneeded mass on your arms that makes you slow and is hard to burn off if you continue working your arms with things like punching.

I mean if your worried about making a weight wouldnt you want your weight distributed in the best way possible? like on your back shoulders core and legs? and not your arms and chest. and really the legs arnt even that necessiary.....i mean the mass going into a punch isnt 100% of your body weight.....its just what you can put into the punch and depends mainly on how good your technique is in putting your body weight into your punch.....and i garuentee you that if most your weight is in your legs alot of its power and speed is lost by the time it gets to your hands where as if most your weight is in your back most of it gets where it needs to go and dosnt lose much speed.

Stong legs have their uses but personally id rather be spindly with all my weight in my back shoulders and core like....


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but thats just me....

Personally i think the best weights for boxing are 16 oz gloves 100+ lb heavy bag and your body weight.