WEIGHTS! please help.

[..WaRSpencE..]

You are the dumbass associating any type of weight training regimen with bodybuilding.

Just because Ali, Dempsey, Louis or some ancient boxer didn't use weights and was successful doesn't mean that goes for everyone.

Furthermore, there have been advances in strength training practices over the last 50-60 years. Sadly, boxing is the only sport that is still stuck in the times of Rocky where downing raw eggs is the only way to eat them to ensure you get all the nutrients, and the only way to workout is doing bodyweight exercises for hundreds of reps, or chewing pine tar somehow made you take a better punch.

You don't know ****. Stop giving out advice before you get someone hurt.

Lol, I'm gonna get someone hurt but you're on a boxing website with a location talking about "repping 1RM's"...LMAO!..

and you got a roided 60 year old man on your avy, so I could see why you get sensitive in this topic, but be true to what it is, lifting isn't the most horrible thing a boxer can do, but it doesn't benefit one if they're lifting heavy, or doing it often, and if they're not doing that, what's the point?..bodyweight exercises will be just as effective, and won't put on mass, which is a boxers nightmare, boxers need to focus on being lean not bulky, and the muscles aren't a factor in skill or stamina. PERIOD.

[Jack3d]

Lol, I'm gonna get someone hurt but you're on a boxing website with a location talking about "repping 1RM's"...LMAO!..

I like lifting is that problem? I'm strong is that problem? How is that hurting anyone? I'm not the one giving anyone ******ed advice on how to work out.

and you got a roided 60 year old man on your avy, so I could see why you get sensitive in this topic

Desperately grasping for ways to make me look foolish? You fail, sir.

but be true to what it is, lifting isn't the most horrible thing a boxer can do, but it doesn't benefit one if they're lifting heavy, or doing it often
and if they're not doing that, what's the point?

You're working your fast twitch muscle fibers and gaining explosiveness when you lift heavy and fast. Slow long distance running has also proven to make you slower and weak.

Olympic Sprinters are some of the fastest and most explosive people in the world and a lot of them do heavy squats.

..bodyweight exercises will be just as effective

Bodyweight exericses are effective and they do work, but they won't produce results in terms of strength, speed, power and explosiveness that heavy compound and olympic lifts do.

and won't put on mass, which is a boxers nightmare, boxers need to focus on being lean not bulky, and the muscles aren't a factor in skill or stamina. PERIOD.

Lifting heavy weight or lifting weights in general is not going to make you "bulky" being "bulky" is based on your diet. You can lift all you want but if you don't fill a caloric deficit you won't gain a pound.


And there you go again associating weightlifting with body building and muscles. I'm not recommending isometrics here.

[..WaRSpencE..]

I like lifting is that problem? I'm strong is that problem? How is that hurting anyone? I'm not the one giving anyone ******ed advice on how to work out.

telling boxers to lift heavy is quite ******ed actually.

Desperately grasping for ways to make me look foolish? You fail, sir.

That's simply stating why you're sensitive on the subject, and your first sentence proved my point.

You're working your fast twitch muscle fibers and gaining explosiveness when you lift heavy and fast. Slow long distance running has also proven to make you slower and weak.

Olympic Sprinters are some of the fastest and most explosive people in the world and a lot of them do heavy squats. Bodyweight exericses are effective and they do work, but they won't produce results in terms of strength, speed, power and explosiveness that heavy compound and olympic lifts do.

Read my replies, I've stated time and time again, if weights is something they wanna do, squats, lunges and deadlifts are the way to go!, curls, bench, skull crushers, etc are pointless. pushups, dips, and pullups are more effective for a boxer. really.

Lifting heavy weight or lifting weights in general is not going to make you "bulky" being "bulky" is based on your diet. You can lift all you want but if you don't fill a caloric deficit you won't gain a pound.


And there you go again associating weightlifting with body building and muscles. I'm not recommending isometrics here.

Isometrics and lifting heavy have no relation, so I can agree that isometrics exercises can be used as long as it doesn't deal with doing heavy weightlifting.

now with all this being said mr muscle strong heavy lifter, you box amateur as well? what does your coach say about lifting heavy and having this iron passion...I'm curious to know.

[Jack3d]

telling boxers to lift heavy is quite ******ed actually.

Being strong, fast and explosive is ******ed for a boxer? Cool Story Bro

That's simply stating why you're sensitive on the subject, and your first sentence proved my point.

Not really. You can hate on weightlifting all you want. If you prefer it fine, if you do, that's fine too.

What I hate is you spreading ignorance. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Read my replies, I've stated time and time again, if weights is something they wanna do, squats, lunges and deadlifts are the way to go!,

Then why did you spaz when I recommended heavy compound lifts? That is what Squats and Deadlifts are.

curls, bench, skull crushers, etc are pointless. pushups, dips, and pullups are more effective for a boxer. really.

I never argued against Curls and skull crushers and similar to be pointless. They are pointless. I never once recommended a boxer do curls.

The moment someone says "weights" you're all "boooo go away bodybuilder"

Isometrics and lifting heavy have no relation, so I can agree that isometrics exercises can be used as long as it doesn't deal with doing heavy weightlifting.

Alright I'd like to apologize for confusing you. Isometrics are exercises like curls, leg extensions, flyes, side raises etc. Isometrics are pointless to a boxer. If you were ever concerned about being slow, stiff, inflexible and useless, nothing is going to accomplish that like isometrics.

Heavy Compound Lifting (Squats, Deads) and Oly Lifts (Power Cleans, Snatches, High Pulls) all can be beneficial to boxer looking to improve their speed, strength, power and explosiveness.

now with all this being said mr muscle strong heavy lifter, you box amateur as well? what does your coach say about lifting heavy and having this iron passion...I'm curious to know.

I've never boxed or competed but I am pursuing a NSCA certification. So I'd like to say I know what I'm talking about.

And why would you go to your "boxing" coach to get advice on "strength training"? Maybe this is the reason why you are so uneducated. That's like asking a QB how to play defensive end.

And once again you are associating any type of weight lifting with muscles.

[Spartacus Sully]

Lifting heavy weight or lifting weights in general is not going to make you "bulky" being "bulky" is based on your diet. You can lift all you want but if you don't fill a caloric deficit you won't gain a pound.

thats because as your gaining muscle mass your burning fat.....duh....or burning off other muscles that your not tearing up.....its impossible to lift in the 3-5 rep scheme with out some hypertrophy myofibril but still hypertrophy......and even if your not getting enough protien to repair the muscles that you work your body takes away the protien from the muscles that you arnt working so the muscles that you work still hypertrophy.....

and bulky thats large and unweildy.........Unweildy......that pretty much describes fast twitch fibers to a T.

[Jack3d]

thats because as your gaining muscle mass your burning fat.....duh....or burning off other muscles that your not tearing up.....its impossible to lift in the 3-5 rep scheme with out some hypertrophy myofibril but still hypertrophy......and even if your not getting enough protien to repair the muscles that you work your body takes away the protien from the muscles that you arnt working so the muscles that you work still hypertrophy.....

and bulky thats large and unweildy.........Unweildy......that pretty much describes fast twitch fibers to a T.

Do us all a favor and go away. You have no idea what you are talking about either

[Spartacus Sully]

Do us all a favor and go away. You have no idea what you are talking about either

do you have any citations for what you claim? sources? i mean every one says that it all depends on your diet.......but that seems more like something an idiot would assume is just logical.....or perhaps a roided up freak whos never once in his life actaully tried lifting heavy on a calorie restricted diet......

[Darkstranger]

The 3-5 rep range will produce some muscle, but it is dependent on diet. Quite simply you eat at a caloric surplus and you'll put on weight.

You can lift heavy on a caloric defecit, but obviously you won't be as strong as being on a surplus.

I've read a lot of ****** comments regarding weights on this forum over the years. Mostly through ignorance or some crap people have been fed by the fitness industry. It seem like there's two types of individual who worry about bulking, women and amateur boxers!

For the 1000th bloody time, we're not talking about a 5 day bodypart split bodybuilding routine. We're talking about a proper strength routine centred around the squat and deadlift with low reps and not to failure.

As an amateur boxer your diet should be on point and you should know how to control your weight. Using that knowledge and using the right weight training program shouldn't give you any weight management problems.