Fun Little Hypothetical: You vs. Muay Thai Fighter

[Southpaw Stinger]

Why respond that way? Relax yourself. I can respond to your post by your last sentence's statement. You say only a top world champion (pbf) can defeat a no name but well trained muay Thai fighter? You respond as if I insulted someone or am art. If I have to explain again then fine, I said it doesn't matter who has what style. It all boils down to the individual. You say well trained muay Thai fighter? Then how would it not be well trained boxer as well? Real Muay Thai fighters (real ones, not the American style that incorporated more boxing) are weak in the hand game and boxers are weak in the legs game. Thats the only difference. If one guy hits the other with a good feint then the other guy will go to attack and get countered. It all boils down to timing. Now Ill assume you'll say clinch game right? Well I'm assuming any boxer that has been in street fgts knows how to grab, throw around and punch at the same time. (dirty boxing). So now what? You assume a boxer won't throw an elbow at you? They do that in regular boxing to, and would do it further if it didn't result in a DQ. Bottomline, I'm not insulting any style. It all boils down to a persons experience in fighting not knowledge of technique. So for example you're saying that a world champion muaythai fighter would obliterate a Pacquiao with no gloves? C'mon! Smarten up kid. It all boils down to the individual. Ignorance? I plainly stated that it all boils down to the individual and from that you somehow flip it around to me insulting martial arts, lol. Relax this is a discussion forum not a battlefield.

You talk a lot of sense, fella. I'd buy you a drink.

[envirocopy512]

If you actually practiced dirty boxing a lot you might have SOME success, but I think at that point you'd stop being a boxer and be more like an MMA fighter. If you're a pure boxer you're just not going to get by throwing some uppercuts in the clinch. You will get eaten alive with knees. You cannot imagine the helplessness of being in the clinch with a Thai. They're not just randomly throwing knees, they're off balancing you. You can't throw a punch with any kind of authority when you're off balance. They know where your weight is perfectly, and they'll have you tripping over yourself while they knee your body to death.

I think the boxer has a good chance if he can stay within punching range but not get too close to get clinched or too far to get kicked. So I guess a lot of it comes down to who can keep the other guy at the optimal range for their style. And the other guy is right about one thing, and that's the importance of timing. There are openings anytime a kick is thrown. With timing and footwork you can capitalize on them.

[envirocopy512]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8dIsPTWyic

Dirty boxing = nothing but a few more floating ribs for you against this guy.

[Monte Fisto]

Why respond that way? Relax yourself. I can respond to your post by your last sentence's statement. You say only a top world champion (pbf) can defeat a no name but well trained muay Thai fighter? You respond as if I insulted someone or am art. If I have to explain again then fine, I said it doesn't matter who has what style. It all boils down to the individual. You say well trained muay Thai fighter? Then how would it not be well trained boxer as well? Real Muay Thai fighters (real ones, not the American style that incorporated more boxing) are weak in the hand game and boxers are weak in the legs game. Thats the only difference. If one guy hits the other with a good feint then the other guy will go to attack and get countered. It all boils down to timing. Now Ill assume you'll say clinch game right? Well I'm assuming any boxer that has been in street fgts knows how to grab, throw around and punch at the same time. (dirty boxing). So now what? You assume a boxer won't throw an elbow at you? They do that in regular boxing to, and would do it further if it didn't result in a DQ. Bottomline, I'm not insulting any style. It all boils down to a persons experience in fighting not knowledge of technique. So for example you're saying that a world champion muaythai fighter would obliterate a Pacquiao with no gloves? C'mon! Smarten up kid. It all boils down to the individual. Ignorance? I plainly stated that it all boils down to the individual and from that you somehow flip it around to me insulting martial arts, lol. Relax this is a discussion forum not a battlefield.

You're still completely denying the fact that a particular style is more effective than others. Yes, it boils down to timing, but certain styles will definitely have its advantages over others, therefore giving an advantage to that particular style.

I'll use your example, A Muay Thai fighter vs a boxer of equal experience and athletic ability. Guess what, the fight is gonna be fought at a kicker's distance, that's a solid advantage right there for the kicker. If they get in close, whose got knees, elbows and the skill to control the inside ?

A boxer may know how to throw elbows, but it's simply not emphasized in a boxer's training regimen, because there's really no need for it. However, a Muay Thai fighter sharpens his knees and elbows day in, day out.

[{Pito}]

I'm not denying anything. On paper any style that has more techniques in it's arsenal should* be more effective than the next which has less. Ou say you take my example right? Ok then how about I flip like a reciprocal and tell you that how have Americans with less leg usage/technique/skill but good boxing skills have gone over and have beat Thai fighters? This is a fact. I'm not saying it happens all the time, but it happens. Shoot check MTV's true life: I am a muay Thai fighter. Two American Thai fighters fought two hardened vet bareknuckle Burmese kickboxers and eventually realized that punches were going in like crazy (against hardened bareknuckle kickboxing vets, mind you) and knocked them out via punch. So yes, to not deny* muay Thai has more techniques and obviously should be more effective but no...what I'm reffering to is the X factor. As a matter of fact do you know the saying in muay Thai that goes: kick loses to punch, punch loses to knee, knee loses to elbow, elbow loses to kick. Regardless of disciplines what I'm saying is that no matter what training/style you have if you can hit me and I can't hit you, then you're the better fighter. Now if you want a politically correct answer then boxing loses to kickboxing, and kickboxing loses to MMA.

[envirocopy512]

LOL @ MTV true life. nice example. :eyeroll:

[Monte Fisto]

I'm not denying anything. On paper any style that has more techniques in it's arsenal should* be more effective than the next which has less. Ou say you take my example right? Ok then how about I flip like a reciprocal and tell you that how have Americans with less leg usage/technique/skill but good boxing skills have gone over and have beat Thai fighters? This is a fact. I'm not saying it happens all the time, but it happens. Shoot check MTV's true life: I am a muay Thai fighter. Two American Thai fighters fought two hardened vet bareknuckle Burmese kickboxers and eventually realized that punches were going in like crazy (against hardened bareknuckle kickboxing vets, mind you) and knocked them out via punch. So yes, to not deny* muay Thai has more techniques and obviously should be more effective but no...what I'm reffering to is the X factor. As a matter of fact do you know the saying in muay Thai that goes: kick loses to punch, punch loses to knee, knee loses to elbow, elbow loses to kick. Regardless of disciplines what I'm saying is that no matter what training/style you have if you can hit me and I can't hit you, then you're the better fighter. Now if you want a politically correct answer then boxing loses to kickboxing, and kickboxing loses to MMA.

You're trying too hard. I never said the things i said as an absolute thing. I'm speaking in terms of generalities. Do you really think your example is how things will turn out whenever Muay Thai fighters face boxers, lol.

The Muay Thai fighter in general will have the advantages, that does not mean they can't get caught. What is it about my points that you ain't understanding, du*b%ss.


And, lmao at you using MT*'s True Life to try and prove your points, haha. You obviously don't know ****. You obviously don't have a clue at how often non-Thai fighters get their @sses handed to him in Thailand, it's f**kin' embarassing, really.

[Spartacus Sully]

He who practices his 10 techniques 1000 times a day will allways beat he who practices his 1000 techniques 10 times a day.

Mauy Tiah sucks any ways, id spark that mofo out with just my guard, my jab and my right straight.

[envirocopy512]

^^ that's dumb as hell. A Muay Thai fighter develops a hard ass round kick, a fast teep, and a clinch. sure they punch and throw other things, but these are the main things they do.

How would you deal with a muay thai fighters teep (foot jab)? It keeps your right in their kicking range where you can't make use of that jab you spent all your time developing. Not anti-boxing at all, but really, what would you do?

[Spartacus Sully]

^^ that's dumb as hell. A Muay Thai fighter develops a hard ass round kick, a fast teep, and a clinch. sure they punch and throw other things, but these are the main things they do.

How would you deal with a muay thai fighters teep (foot jab)? It keeps your right in their kicking range where you can't make use of that jab you spent all your time developing. Not anti-boxing at all, but really, what would you do?

it dosnt really keep me in any range as i can allways back up.

any ways, id attack his foot calf and knee then punching at anything that comes close to me...still using only my guard, jab and right.

Or i could force his work rate up and guard off till he gets sloppy counting on my endurance to out last his.

Or i could step into the attacks throwing off the point of impact and allowing me to possibly get in close enough to land some rights.