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  • #21
    Originally posted by Insane Ninja View Post
    If it's the liquid stuff I'm thinking of, you might want to quit buying it. Creatine is not very stable in liquid and becomes creatinine (a useless by product that you pee out) very fast. I know the store I work at (different supp store, not a GNC) sells some liquid stuff, but I've heard it's mostly junk. I'm not sure if the GNC stuff is the same or not, so I can't say for sure, but you'd get better results (for a better price) by buying bulk creatine monohydrate powder and mixing it with some Gatorade powder with 8-16 oz. of water.
    if it works for me why should i stop using it?


    Originally posted by Insane Ninja View Post
    As for the building up, the reason why you want that is because of how creatine works. Basically, your body uses a fuel called ATP when it does intense activity. After it's used up, it becomes ADP which isn't as useful for energy. Creatine combines with the ADP to reform ATP, which allows you to work out longer.

    In order for this effect to be noticeable, though, the serum level of creatine in your muscle has to be built up so the creatine is right there in the muscle to recombine with the ADP.

    Some people/companies say you should do a loading phase of taking up to 20 g of creatine or more a day for 7 days to quickly build up your levels, but it seems taking smaller dosages (3 to 7 g a day) causes your serum levels to increase just about as fast, so that loading phase probably isn't necessary.
    and having more energy to work out longer has what to do with recovery?

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Insane Ninja View Post
      If it's the liquid stuff I'm thinking of, you might want to quit buying it. Creatine is not very stable in liquid and becomes creatinine (a useless by product that you pee out) very fast. I know the store I work at (different supp store, not a GNC) sells some liquid stuff, but I've heard it's mostly junk. I'm not sure if the GNC stuff is the same or not, so I can't say for sure, but you'd get better results (for a better price) by buying bulk creatine monohydrate powder and mixing it with some Gatorade powder with 8-16 oz. of water.
      all creatine will turn into creatinine after about 1.5 hours in your blood ****** and you then pee it out. liquid creatine takes a shorter time to get into your blood ****** about 20 mins so the benifit of this is that you can take it 20 mins before you exercise and it will be in your blood ****** but if you arnt exercising and your creatine stores are full then it will more quickly turn to creatininine where as powdered creatine takes about an hour longer as it takes about an hour longer to get into your blood ******.

      as far as building up creatine this is only for people who are trying to bulk up where as for muscular energy creatine( like with atp re-synthysis) can be used by the muscles as soon as it is in the blood ******(20 min after taking it in the case of liquid creatine). if say your muscular saturation of creatine is 5 grams a day and you create 2 grams a day if say you were to take 4 grams of creatine as soon as those 4 grams got to the blood ****** 3 of them would be placed in the muscle stores and be usable and the 1 remaining gram would float around for about 1.5 hours and then convert to creatinine and get peed out. if say before those 1.5 hours you exercised and started depleting your creatine stores well then the gram thats floatin around your blood ****** would start to be asorbed into your stores at the same rate your depleating them.

      In this manner there is no break point and creatine in any amount will help with energy and recovery it is only when you are trying to bulk up that you need a constant supply of creatine so that your muscles are constanly saturated with creatine helping to constanly pull fluid to the muscles increasing their size.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by Mr. Shen View Post
        if it works for me why should i stop using it?
        If it's working for you, then keep using it.

        I'm just giving you friendly advice. I'm familiar with these kinds of products, I've done research on them, and to this point I have not heard or seen of one liquid creatine solution that wasn't complete garbage. All the research so far on it has come out against liquid creatine.

        That said, some of the liq. creatine formulas do have other stuff that would be useful for taking before or after a workout.

        and having more energy to work out longer has what to do with recovery?
        Everything. That's how creatine helps with recovery, by restoring muscular energy. That's the major benefit of creatine (in addition to hydrating muscle cells), and if it didn't do that, it would be useless for recovery.

        Originally posted by Mr. Shen View Post
        all creatine will turn into creatinine after about 1.5 hours in your blood ****** and you then pee it out. liquid creatine takes a shorter time to get into your blood ****** about 20 mins so the benifit of this is that you can take it 20 mins before you exercise and it will be in your blood ****** but if you arnt exercising and your creatine stores are full then it will more quickly turn to creatininine where as powdered creatine takes about an hour longer as it takes about an hour longer to get into your blood ******.
        The research on just about all liquid creatine solutions is that they don't work. Whether or not creatine turns into creatinine in the blood ****** after 1.5 hours is irrelevant if you what you are taking in in the first place has already been reduced to creatinine, which is useless.

        as far as building up creatine this is only for people who are trying to bulk up where as for muscular energy creatine( like with atp re-synthysis) can be used by the muscles as soon as it is in the blood ******(20 min after taking it in the case of liquid creatine). if say your muscular saturation of creatine is 5 grams a day and you create 2 grams a day if say you were to take 4 grams of creatine as soon as those 4 grams got to the blood ****** 3 of them would be placed in the muscle stores and be usable and the 1 remaining gram would float around for about 1.5 hours and then convert to creatinine and get peed out. if say before those 1.5 hours you exercised and started depleting your creatine stores well then the gram thats floatin around your blood ****** would start to be asorbed into your stores at the same rate your depleating them.

        In this manner there is no break point and creatine in any amount will help with energy and recovery it is only when you are trying to bulk up that you need a constant supply of creatine so that your muscles are constanly saturated with creatine helping to constanly pull fluid to the muscles increasing their size.
        If liquid creatine really did work and was absorbed and ready to use 20 minutes pre-workout, this might work.

        However, liquid creatine really isn't a good way to get creatine and your body uses what's stored in your muscles first and foremost, regardless of what you have recently ingested. That's why building your creatine serum levels is important. Yes, it's important for guys trying to put on size, but it's also important for the recovery effects as well.

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        • #24
          okay but i just want to look lean cuz cuz im 160 and i need to go back to 152 i would love to gain muscle but naturally

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          • #25
            just eat the right foods

            forget all these bs supplements dawg

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