To make it in todays boxing do you need to have the big amateur background?

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  • cotto16
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    #1

    To make it in todays boxing do you need to have the big amateur background?

    Boxing seems to geting taken over by alot of european, cuban and some american fighters who all had huge amateur back grounds? are the days gone when fighters like dwight muhammed qawi, Jeff Chandler, Billy Conn, Harold Johnson, Joey Giardello, Pipno Cuevas, Jose Luis Ramirez and Salvador Sanchez, Charles Brewer, Mathew Sadd Muhamed, Boogaloo Watts and Tim Witherspoon gone when you could have none to very little amateur fights and still become world champion? Former lightheavyweight champion Harold Jonson once said that you can have a 100 odd amateur fights or you can have none if you can fight you can fight. Your thoughts on all of this?
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    Frenchman Mormeck was a 5-10 amateur boxer and still made it to the top in boxing.

    I think before you become a pro 20 to 30 amateur fights are enough.
    Last edited by Junito-Rulez; 03-16-2010, 04:57 PM.

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    • P4PKING_2010
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      #3
      It only really helps you get a big promotor from the start. If your good enough you will get to the same level.

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      • supRa
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        #4
        cosign wat p4pking said

        u dont really need amatuer backround but having expiernce is a plus 2 a promoter, basically if u have the 'style' and got 'talent' u can get 2 places much easier!

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        • ScottDBA
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          #5
          Originally posted by P4PKING_2010
          It only really helps you get a big promotor from the start. If your good enough you will get to the same level.
          How are you going to get 'good enough' without honing your skills as an amateure?

          Fighting in the amateurs allows you to gain experience. You will make mistakes and lose fights but learn from them. If you want to be successful as a pro you really can't afford to take losses early in your career or else it becomes extremely hard to get back to the top (see Margarito for example).

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          • cotto16
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            #6
            Originally posted by ScottDBA
            How are you going to get 'good enough' without honing your skills as an amateure?

            Fighting in the amateurs allows you to gain experience. You will make mistakes and lose fights but learn from them. If you want to be successful as a pro you really can't afford to take losses early in your career or else it becomes extremely hard to get back to the top (see Margarito for example).
            Billy conn, Jeff Chandler, Harold Johnson Dwight muhammed Qawi, Anthony Mudine, David Lopez, Alexis Arguello, Pipno cuevas all had little to no amateur fights when they turned pro nearly all of them also had a few early defeats yet they all still become world champins. The great Harold Jonson use to say you can have hundredsof amateur fights or none if you can fight you can fight!

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            • TheTruthIs
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              #7
              Originally posted by cotto16
              Billy conn, Jeff Chandler, Harold Johnson Dwight muhammed Qawi, Anthony Mudine, David Lopez, Alexis Arguello, Pipno cuevas all had little to no amateur fights when they turned pro nearly all of them also had a few early defeats yet they all still become world champins. The great Harold Jonson use to say you can have hundredsof amateur fights or none if you can fight you can fight!
              They are a very small minority. And the game is changing also, where people are getting more and better prepared all the time, skill wise, experience wise, and physically.

              So your point is sort of moot to bring up some older exceptions to the vast majority who do have extensive amateur experience. And anyone who thinks it might be easier to just take some sorta quick route, or are trying short cut their way there is running a fools errand.

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              • F l i c k e r
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                #8
                Originally posted by P4PKING_2010
                It only really helps you get a big promotor from the start. If your good enough you will get to the same level.
                This....



                You don't even really need an amateur background to make it in the game. You just need to not lose. 10 wins undefeated will get you where you want to go. Easier said than done if your not a smart boxer.

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