Weight Lifting and Boxing - Good or Bad??

[-Swizzy-]

what i thought, would'nt really count that, it's the same as putting on 20oz gloves
and i wasn't jokin, herschell doesn't lift weights, he said it himself, "never lifted weights and i think it can ruin a young athletes body" was what he said

I wouldn't believe anything that Hershel says. He has mental issues or at least he likes to fabricate his mental issues.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=4643971&page=1

[TheNegation]

pacquiao doesn't lift weights

And yes, Ariza did put Pacquiao through some resistance training - which is still considered taboo in many boxing circles.

"I do use weights, but in the sense that they're not for cosmetic reasons," says Ariza, who stays away from compound lifts such as the bench press and military press. He believes in high reps with movements that will benefit a boxer inside the ring. "They're more to develop a quicker, faster response, a faster twitch-muscle fiber. They're designed to target those things like that. So the idea behind using light weight is also for flexibility and to develop a faster reflex."

So yeah you are wrong. But then again so is his trainer. Fast Twitch Fibers are worked by doing heavy lifts.

http://www.coachr.org/fiber.htm

neither does this guy

I really can't stand how you can point to a select few people who don't lift weights and automatically say that because these people don't use weights, that nobody else should have to.

Everyone's body is different and different things work for different people. So stop trying to force your beliefs on people on something you clearly don't know very much about .

[Double Jab]

^^ While I do not know if thats true, what is your point.

Also Walker could lie, he seems like a good guy so I doubt it.

Finally why does everyone use him as the new big role model for no lifting?

He is the exception, not the rule.

Every time there is someone who is unorthadox is success, there is someone who tries to copy their individualism, with terrible, terrible results.

Hershal Walker is to Physical Fitness as Roy Jones Jr was to boxing.

I don't know how many poor souls I've seen with bloody noses and busted lips, trying to be Roy Jones. Very soon I imagine, we will see alot of people doing akward bodyweight calisthenics, and then wondering why they don't have Hershal Walkers size.

C'est la vie!

[TheNegation]

He is the exception, not the rule.

Every time there is someone who is unorthadox is success, there is someone who tries to copy their individualism, with terrible, terrible results.

Hershal Walker is to Physical Fitness as Roy Jones Jr was to boxing.

I don't know how many poor souls I've seen with bloody noses and busted lips, trying to be Roy Jones. Very soon I imagine, we will see alot of people doing akward bodyweight calisthenics, and then wondering why they don't have Hershal Walkers size.

C'est la vie!

Green K sent! Great post

[guzi815]

Ive been learning how to box for a little over a year, but I have a small frame. Im 5'9" and weigh 130lbs give or take a pound. I want to get stronger and put on a little more weight but Ive heard that lifting and boxing dont mix. What do you guys think?

There is a"HUGE" difference between "WEIGHT LIFTING", and "WEIGHT TRAINING".

"Weight Lifting" in boxing can slow your reflexes, and your muscles get fatigued a whole lot faster.

Evander Holyfield, of course he started at Cruiser Weight, but was a very "chizzled" Heavy Weight. That was "Weight Training". In other words, using moderate weights in high repetitons, as opposed to heavy "LIFTING", builds your stamina.

Here's the thing. "Muscle" retains water. Which means you gotta do "more" road work to burn off the excess "baggage", and stay within your weight class.

If you have a high Metabolism, It shouldn't be a burden to "WEIGHT TRAIN". I'd keep it at no more than 2x a week. But that's just me. In The Army Airborne, you gotta do lots and lots, I mean "LOTS" of 'pull-ups'. Weight Lifting will only slow you down. But I weight train to strengthen my back (Lats).

[SplitSecond]

So yeah you are wrong. But then again so is his trainer. Fast Twitch Fibers are worked by doing heavy lifts.

http://www.coachr.org/fiber.htm




I really can't stand how you can point to a select few people who don't lift weights and automatically say that because these people don't use weights, that nobody else should have to.

Everyone's body is different and different things work for different people. So stop trying to force your beliefs on people on something you clearly don't know very much about .

do you want me to link you to a more trust worthy site with pacquiao saying he doesn't lift weights?
no one counts shadowboxing with dumbells neither
but if you so desperately wanna cling to that, it's just for muscle stamina, dont think it brings upon some magical speed

also, have you not seen the bar master videos i posted before? those guys are not only ripped, but most of them are huge, you dont need herschel walkers genes, just decent genes

but im not denying that if you wanna put on muscle fast, weights can't be used, im just sayin, you dont have to use weights, just it'll probabley be alot quicker

and you dont have to do any awkward calisthenics, walker only does mainly pullups, pushups, situps etc, the conventional ones

P.S a little tip, as your weight builds, pullups will get harder

[rskumm21]

do you want me to link you to a more trust worthy site with pacquiao saying he doesn't lift weights?
no one counts shadowboxing with dumbells neither
but if you so desperately wanna cling to that, it's just for muscle stamina, dont think it brings upon some magical speed

also, have you not seen the bar master videos i posted before? those guys are not only ripped, but most of them are huge, you dont need herschel walkers genes, just decent genes

but im not denying that if you wanna put on muscle fast, weights can't be used, im just sayin, you dont have to use weights, just it'll probabley be alot quicker

and you dont have to do any awkward calisthenics, walker only does mainly pullups, pushups, situps etc, the conventional ones

P.S a little tip, as your weight builds, pullups will get harder

Dude. What don't you get? His own personal trainer says he uses them. Face it; you were proven wrong. No big deal. It happens all the time.

[SplitSecond]

Dude. What don't you get? His own personal trainer says he uses them. Face it; you were proven wrong. No big deal. It happens all the time.

well if that's what you guys meant, then i agree, light weights can work

but nothin i'd bother with

just don't overdue it, bad for the joints

[EzzardFan]

He is the exception, not the rule.

Every time there is someone who is unorthadox is success, there is someone who tries to copy their individualism, with terrible, terrible results.

Hershal Walker is to Physical Fitness as Roy Jones Jr was to boxing.

I don't know how many poor souls I've seen with bloody noses and busted lips, trying to be Roy Jones. Very soon I imagine, we will see alot of people doing akward bodyweight calisthenics, and then wondering why they don't have Hershal Walkers size.

C'est la vie!

I must be another exception then. I trained with weights for 18 years and improved my physique, health, fitness, and boxing immeasurably by ditching them age 37 and switching to calisthenics. I with I'd never bothered with weights now.

[Double Jab]

I must be another exception then. I trained with weights for 18 years and improved my physique, health, fitness, and boxing immeasurably by ditching them age 37 and switching to calisthenics. I with I'd never bothered with weights now.

Yes, you are another exception.

I am not going to argue weights vs bodyweight, that is a firefight that has no end and no hope for positive set in stone answers. I believe in doing what works for you. Bodyweight, weights, hell if wrestling with wolves really gets your cardio up, then God bless, and keep it up.

All I'm saying is that more often then not people get better results in boxing with weights. But this is just the general population, and I personally do much better with bodyweight.

I just feel bad for those people who see hershal walker, decide to do bodyweight exercises, then feel bad, because they dont turn into hershal walker.

In the words of Brad Pitt's portrayal of Tyler Durden, "Do what you like, man."