Weight Lifting and Boxing - Good or Bad??

[EzzardFan]

Yeah years ago they didn't use weights to train. But years ago they also thought attaching leaches to people with diseases would make them better. Times change, science and nutrition evolve, and there are safe ways to use weights within boxing

Check your science - leeches are back in fashion:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3858087.stm

Don't underestimate the value of ancient wisdom.

After sleeping on it yesterday and reading your post, I believe you are right. Especially when it comes to marketing weight training and all its equiptment. I gathered my info just from all the training videos I've seen of fighters, and each time I always see them with weights and using machines, but what I didn't take into account, is that most bodyweight exercises are not that interesting, and would waste film for someone making a video of a workout. My common sense also points towards lots of bodyweight exercises, considering every single gym I have went to, advocated it first and then weight training second.

Thank's for helping me check myself, sometimes I find more enjoyment in defending an arguement simply from egoism, rather than step back, realize I could be wrong, and use my head to think about it.

So now I would like to rephrase my original post with a new viewpoint. *ahem*

Alot of fighters, professional and amatuer, do a great deal of bodyweight exercises for a high level of fitness, and weight training can either be treated as a workout supplement, or skipped entirely if the person does not recieve enjoyable and applicable results. But, no matter what, do what works for you, even if someone tells you different.

I have to hand it to you man, it's not often that someone has the guts to do what you just did. Much respect and kudos

It doesn't matter what you said create or cause, its still a false statement

Are you seriously trying to claim that weight training is not a billion dollar industry with all the marketing that usually entails?

[rskumm21]

Check your science - leeches are back in fashion:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3858087.stm

Don't underestimate the value of ancient wisdom.



I have to hand it to you man, it's not often that someone has the guts to do what you just did. Much respect and kudos



Are you seriously trying to claim that weight training is not a billion dollar industry with all the marketing that usually entails?

The leeches are being used for somthing different, and is not common practice as what it once was. You're reaching wit that one: My point still stands. Science, medicine, and nutrition evolve. Obviously the way of thinking and the stubbornness of man does not.

[EzzardFan]

The leeches are being used for somthing different, and is not common practice as what it once was. You're reaching wit that one: My point still stands. Science, medicine, and nutrition evolve. Obviously the way of thinking and the stubbornness of man does not.

Pumping one's body full of chemicals may be *COUGH* scientific but does not constitute nutrition or good medicine IMO.

[GhostFighter]

After 7 years of heavy weight lifting I also have come to the conclusion that weights are bad for any combat sport involving fast movements, but not as bad as some may say though. You can still be fast while lifting weights but just not as fast as u could be.
Bodyweigh fitness is the only way to go.

[Phenomkidd]

Have you ever thought that maybe you were doing exercises inappropriate to your sport? If you wanna talk about plain speed, sprinters have incredible stride, leg turnover, etc only furthered by weight training. In the rawest sense, weight training will not make your muscles move slower.

[rskumm21]

Pumping one's body full of chemicals may be *COUGH* scientific but does not constitute nutrition or good medicine IMO.

Where am I saying that anyone needs to pump their body full of chemicals? Again, you are referring to bodybuilding which is completely different than weight training routines for boxing which the majority of elite fighters do today.

[Phenomkidd]

Pumping one's body full of chemicals may be *COUGH* scientific but does not constitute nutrition or good medicine IMO.

Chemicals, oh you mean like protein, creatine, vitamins, amino acids, that stuff thats found it like 99% of the population's diet?

[Phenomkidd]

Are you seriously trying to claim that weight training is not a billion dollar industry with all the marketing that usually entails?

Are you ******ed or do you not know what you are typing. "Creating/Causing a need," do you know what a need is? I'm pretty sure I can lift then go straight to sleep. I don't NEED to take anything. I never said it wasn't its own industry.

[Danny Gunz]

Alls i have to say is ive been boxing for years and i havent picked up weights until two years ago and the difference in my performance is astronomical.

I look better in the ring, I fight better in the ring. And not to mention my power has never been better and i dont believe i lost any speed.

Just my two cents, you guys can throw science and whatever around but when it comes down to it in my experience weight lifitng has been great for me.

[EzzardFan]

Are you ******ed or do you not know what you are typing. "Creating/Causing a need," do you know what a need is? I'm pretty sure I can lift then go straight to sleep. I don't NEED to take anything. I never said it wasn't its own industry.

OK Einstein/Shakespeare, go look up the definition of both "create" and "cause" on Google, then come back here, regurgitate them, and explain why our language contains both these words if, as you have implied, they mean exactly the same thing.

I always take it as a complement when some troll calls me a ******; it means that they are intimidated by my intellect. Well anyone's intellect...

Where am I saying that anyone needs to pump their body full of chemicals? Again, you are referring to bodybuilding which is completely different than weight training routines for boxing which the majority of elite fighters do today.

No I was referring the modern medicine and the pharmaceutical industry. The human body didn't evolve to pop pills of any sort, and that includes even the humble multivitamin. It works best when extracting it's nutrition directly from live organic undoctored whole foods. And I'll start trusting Western medicine (trauma surgery excepted) when it coughs up something as clever as our own immune systems.

Chemicals, oh you mean like protein, creatine, vitamins, amino acids, that stuff thats found it like 99% of the population's diet?

Most of the populations diet consists of things like meat, vegetables, fruit, pulses, and dairy.

The things you have listed are chemicals, which can be synthesised from those foodstuffs. The human body works best when it's extracting all the THOUSANDS of nutrients it uses directly from the food as opposed to ingesting the synthetic lab made versions. Science has only identified a small number of vitamins, whose actions it understands. A tomato alone contains over 40,000 compounds that scientists suspect might be vitamins.

Currently it's possible to obtain synthetic OTC replacements for all the alleged essential items in our food, carbs, protein, minerals, vitamins, nutrients, and even enzymes can all be produced in their *COUGH* purest form, in a lab somewhere. Try living on those things for a while, like the hero of some 1950s sci-fi, and see how healthy you are after a 2 months.

Alls i have to say is ive been boxing for years and i havent picked up weights until two years ago and the difference in my performance is astronomical.

I look better in the ring, I fight better in the ring. And not to mention my power has never been better and i dont believe i lost any speed.

Just my two cents, you guys can throw science and whatever around but when it comes down to it in my experience weight lifitng has been great for me.

I'm not dis*****g your story, but a lot would depend on how effectively you trained in each discipline. I'm 39 and have been training for 20 years, most of them with weights, and only the last 2 years without. I'd consider myself expert in both.

A lot of my friends whom I used to lift with have subsequently been retired due to wear and tear injuries that were a direct result of weight training. The looked in good shape before, now they look like ****. I myself suffered a whole catalogue of injury over the years: the parts injured included elbows, knees, tendons, back, shoulder, and rotator cuffs (ouch). Ironically I was in the process of developing a book on "weight training for mixed martial arts" when my elbows both crapped out with tendonitis. That was the final straw...

Some of those injuries were chronic problems that slowly degenerated over several years. I've since healed them by switching to calisthenic, isometric, kinetic tension, and gymnastics. In the past two years I have never incurred any injury, other than as a result of boxing. If I could have the last 20 years again then I'd never have picked up a weight.