The big abs debate...

[fraidycat]

Higher reps for muscle density. In layman's terms how hard the muscle feels.

Lower reps plus increased resistance for increased muscle size.

Boxers tend to do higher reps for abdominal exercises as it will more than likely harden the stomache muscles and help them absorb body blows later into a fight.

This is absolute bull****. It's a common training myth and has absolutely no basis in reality. None.

None.

I swear to Christ, asking for physiology advice on this board is like going onto a quilting forum and asking how to win a knife fight.

Training methods have nothing to do with muscle gain. Train to failure -- either high reps low weight, or low reps high weight, doesn't matter -- and eat. Period.

High-intensity training causes microscopic tears in the muscle, it doesn't matter how it happens. When those tears heal, they heal thicker with proper nutrition. Eventually you gain muscle size. If you don't eat enough, you will lose muscle tissue through the catabolic process.

That's all there is to it.

There is no "thickening" or "hardening" of the muscles from one type of exercise versus another. The apparent density of a muscle (in a living person) is a product of water and glycogen present in the muscle tissue. It's why bodybuilders carb-load before a show and why creatine makes you look pumped. (And why any boxer whose head isn't up his ass should carb-load, as well; you want your muscles to have peak energy storage and mass -- hence leverage -- before a fight.) But I digress. Again.

[TheNegation]

This is absolute bull****. It's a common training myth and has absolutely no basis in reality. None.

None.

I swear to Christ, asking for physiology advice on this board is like going onto a quilting forum and asking how to win a knife fight.

Training methods have nothing to do with muscle gain. Train to failure -- either high reps low weight, or low reps high weight, doesn't matter -- and eat. Period.

High-intensity training causes microscopic tears in the muscle, it doesn't matter how it happens. When those tears heal, they heal thicker with proper nutrition. Eventually you gain muscle size. If you don't eat enough, you will lose muscle tissue through the catabolic process.

That's all there is to it.

There is no "thickening" or "hardening" of the muscles from one type of exercise versus another. The apparent density of a muscle (in a living person) is a product of water and glycogen present in the muscle tissue. It's why bodybuilders carb-load before a show and why creatine makes you look pumped. (And why any boxer whose head isn't up his ass should carb-load, as well; you want your muscles to have peak energy storage and mass -- hence leverage -- before a fight.) But I digress. Again.

Hallelujah. Someone who knows what the **** they are talking about.

[eagleyes]

i dont think manny is overworking his abs whne doing 5000 a day... " philipino makes the best sports enchancing drug. lol

[Suckmedry]

This is absolute bull****. It's a common training myth and has absolutely no basis in reality. None.

None.

I swear to Christ, asking for physiology advice on this board is like going onto a quilting forum and asking how to win a knife fight.

Training methods have nothing to do with muscle gain. Train to failure -- either high reps low weight, or low reps high weight, doesn't matter -- and eat. Period.

High-intensity training causes microscopic tears in the muscle, it doesn't matter how it happens. When those tears heal, they heal thicker with proper nutrition. Eventually you gain muscle size. If you don't eat enough, you will lose muscle tissue through the catabolic process.

That's all there is to it.

There is no "thickening" or "hardening" of the muscles from one type of exercise versus another. The apparent density of a muscle (in a living person) is a product of water and glycogen present in the muscle tissue. It's why bodybuilders carb-load before a show and why creatine makes you look pumped. (And why any boxer whose head isn't up his ass should carb-load, as well; you want your muscles to have peak energy storage and mass -- hence leverage -- before a fight.) But I digress. Again.

[MANIAKO]

Work out like me......

[fraidycat]

Hallelujah. Someone who knows what the **** they are talking about.

You would not believe the load of bull**** I've seen on this site over the years. And it never gets better. There are like six guys on here -- maybe four, now -- who understand training science and modern exercise theory.

There was one thread on here where a guy was asking for advice because he was getting a cramp in his side when running. Some assmonkey told him, and I quote:

"Digging your fingers into the muscle will pop the bubbles and make it go away."

Just FYI, I have an NSCA-CPT and I'm a former bodybuilder. I used to box, briefly coached, and then quit coaching because the head coach knew f-ck all about physiology. He wouldn't let the kids drink water during a 90-minute workout because "water makes you weak and fat," and didn't want them to stretch because, and I quote, "Stretching makes your muscles flabby. You need to stay tight and hard, so those punches bounce off." These kids were getting muscle spasms and headaches from dehydration and he was telling them to work through it, to toughen up.

I **** you not.

When I pulled him aside and asked him WTF, he started yelling at me, saying things like, "You think you know everything 'cuz you've been to college and studied all that stuff."

Well, *******, it sure helps.

So I quit coaching and now I'm back to boxing. Well, I was back to boxing. I joined the Army Reserve last year and I'm shipping out in a couple of weeks.

Boxers are, as a group, the most willfully ignorant, clueless bunch of morons I've ever witnessed when it comes to nutrition and physiology, and especially about modern training concepts. At my first gym guys were arguing over water vs. Gatorade, and whether or not protein worked. (You'll still see posts on this board about "Does Protein Work?" "Is Creatine Good?" "Are Pushups Good for Boxing?")

I know fencers who know more about training than most boxers.

I do believe that a young boxer who takes advantage of modern exercise science -- who throws off the shackles of steak and potatoes and jump rope -- will dominate this sport and bring it back from the edge of extinction. I really do. I wish I'd found this sport twenty years ago.

Since I'm leaving, I leave you with this thought: As long as boxers and trainers want to pretend they're still living in the glory days of the past, the sport is going to remain there: in the past.

[Suckmedry]

You would not believe the load of bull**** I've seen on this site over the years. And it never gets better. There are like six guys on here -- maybe four, now -- who understand training science and modern exercise theory.

There was one thread on here where a guy was asking for advice because he was getting a cramp in his side when running. Some assmonkey told him, and I quote:

"Digging your fingers into the muscle will pop the bubbles and make it go away."

Just FYI, I have an NSCA-CPT and I'm a former bodybuilder. I used to box, briefly coached, and then quit coaching because the head coach knew f-ck all about physiology. He wouldn't let the kids drink water during a 90-minute workout because "water makes you weak and fat," and didn't want them to stretch because, and I quote, "Stretching makes your muscles flabby. You need to stay tight and hard, so those punches bounce off." These kids were getting muscle spasms and headaches from dehydration and he was telling them to work through it, to toughen up.

I **** you not.

When I pulled him aside and asked him WTF, he started yelling at me, saying things like, "You think you know everything 'cuz you've been to college and studied all that stuff."

Well, *******, it sure helps.

So I quit coaching and now I'm back to boxing. Well, I was back to boxing. I joined the Army Reserve last year and I'm shipping out in a couple of weeks.

Boxers are, as a group, the most willfully ignorant, clueless bunch of morons I've ever witnessed when it comes to nutrition and physiology, and especially about modern training concepts. At my first gym guys were arguing over water vs. Gatorade, and whether or not protein worked. (You'll still see posts on this board about "Does Protein Work?" "Is Creatine Good?" "Are Pushups Good for Boxing?")

I know fencers who know more about training than most boxers.

I do believe that a young boxer who takes advantage of modern exercise science -- who throws off the shackles of steak and potatoes and jump rope -- will dominate this sport and bring it back from the edge of extinction. I really do. I wish I'd found this sport twenty years ago.

Since I'm leaving, I leave you with this thought: As long as boxers and trainers want to pretend they're still living in the glory days of the past, the sport is going to remain there: in the past.

My trainer has a sports science degree and knows what he is talking about when it comes to that sort of stuff. But there are lots of trainers who just don't know much at all.

[Spartacus Sully]

the higher rep ranges tend to create a different muscle slow twitch but by practicing it over and over and over you rival the speeds of fast twitch fibers marathon runners will go for 26 miles averaging 12.5 mph now thats not the top speed for sprinters but its pretty fast and i guarantee those muscles are slow twitch fibers for them to do it for 2 hours +.

also with increased reps you get increased negatives and that can cause actual tears in the muscle not just scaring it and sometimes satalite cells come out and repair the 2 half fibers as 2 fibers thus increasing the size of the muscle with out decreasing the density. (Hyperplasia)

5000 sit ups a day is pretty good but if i were his trainer i would also put some extremes on him like a weighted 1 rep max then proceed with like 1000 then another weighted 1 rep max. though depending on how it effects the whole routine i might only add it in 2 or 3 times a week.

[fraidycat]

the higher rep ranges tend to create a different muscle slow twitch but by practicing it over and over and over you rival the speeds of fast twitch fibers marathon runners will go for 26 miles averaging 12.5 mph now thats not the top speed for sprinters but its pretty fast and i guarantee those muscles are slow twitch fibers for them to do it for 2 hours +.

12.5 mph? That's twenty-six consecutive 4:48 miles. That's the world record, and only a handful of people in the world can run like that. An excellent time for a marathon is 4 hours or under. The average marathon time on record last year was 4:32, consecutive 10:30 miles, or just under 6 miles an hour.

If you'd ever run one -- or even a half-marathon, which I ran last year -- you'd know that.

[Spartacus Sully]

12.5 mph? That's twenty-six consecutive 4:48 miles. That's the world record, and only a handful of people in the world can run like that. An excellent time for a marathon is 4 hours or under. The average marathon time on record last year was 4:32, consecutive 10:30 miles, or just under 6 miles an hour.

If you'd ever run one -- or even a half-marathon, which I ran last year -- you'd know that.

I have ran a marathon 5 hours 13 min.

http://results.active.com/pages/oneR...087&rsID=85805

think theres more then handful of people in the world that can do 5000 sit ups a day?

the point isn't that theres so few people that can do it, its that doing that and beyond so many times will allow slow twitch muscles to work at speeds of fast twitch.