Shoulder Drop/Dip

[MonkeyEarMuffs]

I have been practicing a technique that has been helping me out quite a bit with loading for hooks/uppercuts and for cycling a punch so I can use that same hand in a subsequent strike. I have heard it called shoulder dipping and shoulder dropping and is basically a slight twist of the upper body and a dipping of the striking arm, so for example, you can do a jab, straight, right- shoulder drop, Then go into a cross, a low- right hook, or a right shovel hook, etc. Alternatively, you can go right into weaving or lateral shuffling to creating angles.

My question is, what is technique actually called and what other boxers have you seen do it? I am hard-pressed to use it too much because I can't really find any information on it and I don't want to practice something that could potentially lead to bad habits. On the other hand, having the option to load strikes, especially hooks/ uppercuts/ crosses, really makes the technique useful for an inside boxer as it also moves the head/ upper-body in a angled crouching motion to the opponents weak side after straights, and to the opponents inside if they try to counter a left jab or hook with a cross.

Anyway, any thoughts?

[hookoffdajab]

my thoughts

I believe I understand what u are speakin of....as far as it leading to bad habits.....i would like to see video of what u are talking about but from what u described I think that it may lead to bad habits.....for what u are trying to achieve I think u could get the same effect by keeping ur shoulders up where they are supposed to be n instead using ur legs to dip , transfer ur weight , get ur head out the middle , n angle ur torso over into ur oppenents blind spots ,weak spots, openings n etc....by using ur legs (bending n transfer of ur weight from side to side n slightly front to back) u can get the desired effect of what u are doing with ur shoulders, while being defensivly responsible n not telegraphing ur punches...plus when u dip n transfer ur weight into ur legs to take ur head n torso out of the middle u are in a sense spring loading power in the leg u are dipping on..so u might as well use that energy n push n turn off that leg n transfer that energy into a punch.....let me know what u think.....

[MonkeyEarMuffs]

What you are saying is essentially what I am talking about. ( I'm sorry I was not clear enough). the motion is much like loading an uppercut but with a little bit more of a crouch. All the dipping portion of the movement comes from the legs, you are going into a low shell and moving out of the "center line"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9GoBY5ubJs

That is the best example I can find of it. It is good for counter punching and effectively "loads" a striking section. I don't overexagerate the lead leg as much but you can see that quick use of it can open up a multitude of offensive and defensive options as you could choose to strike or move into another upper-body movement option, create an angle or simply retreat and reset/change your range.

[mrboxer]

i do not like shoulder drops or dips,if someone tries to load with me any punch while dipping or dropping i will unload a barrage of punches that would put an end to the technique,these dips or drops do not work against a fighter who has a good counter attack

[MonkeyEarMuffs]

i do not like shoulder drops or dips,if someone tries to load with me any punch while dipping or dropping i will unload a barrage of punches that would put an end to the technique,these dips or drops do not work against a fighter who has a good counter attack

Yeah, they happen really fast. Most of the time they are happening in block stun so they work pretty well. It is very much an inside-boxing technique so unless the opponent is also an in-boxer or just happens to have insane reflexes and knows exatly what is coming out of the dip, if anything at all, then the "barrage of punches" would hit air, or fall into a counter punch trap, as the dip is very useful for inboxers setting up counter punching ops. IN addition to that that, the dip transitions quite nicely into shoulder rolls and what-not. Although, I am not a big s. roll guy, it is a nice option to have.

[mrboxer]

i am glad you see it my way,and try the roll while not dipping,in other words mask the dips that do not work and roll with your punches,this way you are not dipping into a left left right combo and you are rolling away from the punch

[j]

keeping shoulers bunched up will tire you much faster than if you just kept them relaxed in the first place.

and, the shoulder dropping can be an easy tell.

good luck

[MonkeyEarMuffs]

So I talked to one of my trainers yesterday and they explained how to use the shoulder drop. It is very much an angled fast crouch to load an side after a punch on the inside and should not be used too frequently. I was using it off punches as it sets up counters and for that it is quite good. The best way I could describe it is angled bobbing. It seems to be good but is very much a technique for fighters that use lots of head movement.

[FalconsRB]

keeping shoulers bunched up will tire you much faster than if you just kept them relaxed in the first place.

and, the shoulder dropping can be an easy tell.

good luck

I like this move. i do it when i fight somebody who throws straight punches or gets of balance when jab.

You do not have to throw everytime with the hand you have ****ed back to disguise it. Its also a good defensive move.

[mrboxer]

So I talked to one of my trainers yesterday and they explained how to use the shoulder drop. It is very much an angled fast crouch to load an side after a punch on the inside and should not be used too frequently. I was using it off punches as it sets up counters and for that it is quite good. The best way I could describe it is angled bobbing. It seems to be good but is very much a technique for fighters that use lots of head movement.

how many trainers do you have?mayweather and pac have one trainer and you are talking to a couple