order of importance: training techniques

[glidesmack]

The only thing I'm sure of is that sparring is number 1. I'm not completely confident of anything else.

[g0tcha]

i disagree. i dont think one could really put a list of whats most important to least important because every aspect of boxing is important. i wouldnt send someone who has no experience in boxing to go spar because they would have no clue what to do except what they saw on tv or something. when i train friends i start off always with footwork/stance then throwing the basic punches and staying in the correct stance then do it with mitts. after they can follow commands like 112 12 232 and such then ill start doing reaction drills like checking their right guard and then they automatically throw back a 32 and when they are comfortable with combinations and all the basic punches light sparring to put it into play. once they have a grasp of the basics is when the real sparring would begin so that they have a bunch of tools to use instead of none or generic(stuff see on tv or from friends) ones. im surprised that just grasping the mechanics of basic punches is difficult for a lot of people out there. oh and just because i didnt mention condition or cardio doesnt mean it isnt important either. im just speaking in terms of learning to box and in training to be a boxer.

[glidesmack]

If you only do one thing for half an hour a day for a month, your guy does whatever you're saying, some other guy runs, some other guy hits a heavy bag. If my guy spars, he's mopping the floor.

Now, to be fair, you're right that he can't just spar anyone. If he's too overmatched, he'll just get whooped the first 10 seconds of every session. If he's way better, he'll learn nothing. But assuming it's a reasonable partner, he's mopping the floor with your guy after a month.

[g0tcha]

i dont really get your reasoning for this because their are so many little aspects that would take way too long to post in this thread to argue over. i could say that what if i had a genius fighter that picked up with amazing speed and sparred like he's been doing it his whole life after a few sessions. he would destroy anyone you bring in with someone who doesnt even know the mechanics of throwing a hook or even a power jab or slipping and dodging and blocking. we could go all day but the fact of the matter is that someone who spars is not going to learn quickly without a good base of the basics especially the mechanics of punching. i bet your guy wouldnt even know how to throw a powerful hook because most bums dont know how to pivot with a lead hook. you can rant all you want on what you think and your entitled to that but i doubt your way would be logical or the most beneficial way to learn how to box. thats like sending some guy who signs up for the army into iraq with no training. just slap on a uniform here's your gun, go kill things...

[Walt Liquor]

I'm with both of you. Look, no matter which fighting you do, anything that simulates a fight is the best training, HOWEVER, the fundamentals must be laid down. When you begin, supervised shadow boxing and mitt and bag work is much more important. That is what allows you to build up an arsenal to work with, if you only know a couple of combos, and they are sloppy, its overfor you when the gloves go on. as you spar, different combos develop and your games goes up a few levels. there's a ju jitsu black belt that trains with us who is all swole,but his standup sucks. he wants to spar all the time,but he only has about 4 punches.

[Spartacus Sully]

Basics are needed but assuming your an intelligent person whats wrong with getting those from a book, online, how about a smart sparring partner, or even this forum?

jack dempseys book championship fighting has more then enough information in it to give any one basic sparring knowledge clinching blocking parrying defltecting how to do these and how to counter afterwars. dan Mendoza in his book had 6 sections of lessons that went from blocking all the way to 8-10 step combintations of feints punches blocks and counters. i think if 2 people got together and read either of these books and spent thier days exercising hard and sparring you would know their names.

[RightCross94]

boxing is 60% skill 40% fitness, and in your first couple of fights where no one is that skilled fitness is sometimes just as if not more important

so id say sparring, shadowboxing and pads are the most important skill activities while running (sprints, long distance etc) skipping and circuits like pushups, situps etc are the most important fitness activities

[Walt Liquor]

Basics are needed but assuming your an intelligent person whats wrong with getting those from a book, online, how about a smart sparring partner, or even this forum?

jack dempseys book championship fighting has more then enough information in it to give any one basic sparring knowledge clinching blocking parrying defltecting how to do these and how to counter afterwars. dan Mendoza in his book had 6 sections of lessons that went from blocking all the way to 8-10 step combintations of feints punches blocks and counters. i think if 2 people got together and read either of these books and spent thier days exercising hard and sparring you would know their names.

I think that is possible, but as far as making it professionally, you need a trained eye there to point out your mistakes. You could also video tape everything and study it later, but its better to correct your flaws as they happen. I'm not a professional, I train because I love doing it and I love sparring and martial arts in general (specially knifefighting) so you are probably over my head with how far it can take you, BUT I know that having a professional overseeing you is WAY better than you and a buddy figuring it out. My martial arts trainer and my Kali trainer are both professional fighters and their wealth of knowledge is invaluable.

[P4PKING_2008 :)]

If you only do one thing for half an hour a day for a month, your guy does whatever you're saying, some other guy runs, some other guy hits a heavy bag. If my guy spars, he's mopping the floor.

Now, to be fair, you're right that he can't just spar anyone. If he's too overmatched, he'll just get whooped the first 10 seconds of every session. If he's way better, he'll learn nothing. But assuming it's a reasonable partner, he's mopping the floor with your guy after a month.

He would only mop the floor if he sparred with the others in sparring. He'd lose at running to a runner and lose on the heavy bag to a heavy bagger.

[Spartacus Sully]

So he would win at sparring asumming he had some one thast good at boxing as a partner lose at running and lose at bag work where would that put him in a fight though?

im just saying that you dont need to spend hours hitting the bag or the mits or shadow boxing in order to still obtain the benifits of sparring and perhaps if you sparred the jujitsu guy more he would get better at sparring

if you lump them all together perhaps sparring would be a higher importance then running just barely and you would want to spend more time running then sparring but try harder in sparring after that really i would go with neck exercises i think next would be doing the punches through out the day or shadow boxing then mits then heavy/speed/double ended/bags ect then i think weights would show up but light ones and high reps of course reading and studying would be of highest importance